At 08:12 PM 19/07/2010, Stanley N Salthe wrote:
>Has anyone suggested the function of contact sports to be the 'moral
>equivalent' of war.  Many young men requires this kind of excitement
>because of their hormone mix.

Apparently societies with less contact and competitve sports also
tend to be less violent. My source: E.O. Wilson, On Human Nature,
chapter on aggression. That doesn't defeat the connection of an
alternative, though, in constitutionally more violent societies.

John

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Stanley N Salthe escribió:
Has anyone suggested the function of contact sports to be the 'moral equivalent' of war. Many young men requires this kind of excitement because of their hormone mix.

STAN

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es <mailto:pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>> wrote:

    Dear FISers,

    Looking for an informational explanation of soccer, or other
    sports, as was asking Joseph, one can look at the internal side of
    the event. Then, as Jorge and Bob have done, one can discuss about
    the panorama of networking relationships or the "ascendancy" of
    the different elements. While agreeing with the interest of these
    approaches, one can also look towards the outside and ask about
    the social importance attributed to such type of spectacles. It is
    interesting that today a lot of economic activities, like sports,
    may be ascribed  to ephemeral "information production" --think of
    entertainment, news, fashions, e-networks, communications,
    tourism, etc. Maybe this is the fastest growing segment, even in
    spite of the global crisis. Why the increasing predominance of
    "panem et circenses"?
    An speculative point may be that complex societies are caught into
    a information paradox. The higher they grow in their aggregate
    complexity the lower the structure of basic social relations (and
    interesting information) around the individual. According to
    Dunbar's "social brain hypothesis", these complex societies
    deviate progressively from the evolutionary networking structure
    of our species. Thus "info" surrogates of whatever type are more
    and more necessary for the individual and for the society as a
    whole, although probably they are working worse and worse. If this
    is so, it makes sense that in the "information era" depression has
    become the first incapacitating pathology (above flu).

    Unfortunately, the victory at the world championship has been so
    ephemeral!

    best wishes

    Pedro
    PS. As a question to Karl: in what extent are directed graphs (or
    generic networks) equivalent to multidimensional partitions? Would
    it make sense the description of "ascendancy" in terms of partitions?


    Robert Ulanowicz escribió:
    Dear Jorge and Fis members:

    The method is intriguing, but rather ad-hoc.

I and colleagues in marine science have directly used information-theoretic indexes to evaluate the dynamically most important nodes and links in a quantified network. I'm convinced it could be applied as well to players on a team:

    Ulanowicz, R.E. and D. Baird. 1999. Nutrient controls on ecosystem
               dynamics:  The Chesapeake mesohaline community.  J.  Mar.
               Sys. 19:159-172

    The best,
    Bob Ulanowicz


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    Quoting Jorge Navarro López <jnavarro.i...@aragon.es> 
<mailto:jnavarro.i...@aragon.es>:

    Dear FIS collegaes,

Hi! This is my first posting in the list. My name is Jorge Navarro and I am working with Pedro on Systems Biology and Network Science. Following with Joseph proposal I have found an interesting paper about a satisfactory theory of information applicable to teamwork sports:

    *Quantifying the Performance of Individual Players in a Team Activity*

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0010937


I think that formally one can say a lot about what teamship activities become interesting and exciting to watch, and what other activities are dull and boring. I was playing soccer myself until a few years ago (forward), like Villa :-), and I am very interested in the informational side of sports, soccer of course.

    VIVA ESPAÑA!!!

    Kind Regards

    Jorge


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