a main problem I see with Brillouin (the same as with Shannon)
is that he speaks about the transmission of information (with regard to Shannon), while in fact it is a message and not 'information' that is being transmitted. This quid pro quo is amazing in a scientist like Brillouin who is interested in the exact definition of concepts. Shannon's theory is called A mathematical theory of communication (not: of information).
John, I read the English translation of Science and Information theory in 1976 and was profoundly influenced by it. I started doing so because I was trying to understand conscious awareness at that time, and it struck me that information theory was the closest thing to it in science at the time. (not being impressed much by S's cat etc.) So you see it took 40 years thought for me to get to where I am now. Even in 2008 when I had 90% of my present theory worked out, I was not formulating it as a new theory of information. Reading and re-rereading (!) Shear and Chalmers was central to that. And the fluid Reynolds number analogy which led me to see that I did indeed have a genuine 'Double Aspect' information theory of just the right kind.

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    Bien reçu votre message. MERCI. Cordialement. M. Godron

    Le 08/07/2016 à 14:42, Pedro C. Marijuan a écrit :

        Dear FIS Colleagues,

        Some brief responses to the different parties:

        Marcus: there were several sessions dealing with info physics,
        where I remember some historical connotations with mechanics
        emerged. Mostly 1998 and 2002 chaired by Koichiro Matsuno and
        2004 by Michel Petitjean. Afterwards the theme has surfaced
        relatively often. About the present possibilities for a UTI,
        my opinion is that strictly remaining within Shannon's and
        anthropocentric discourse boundaries there is no way out.

    Yes, but it is not the same  with  Brillouin's information : I
    could send to you a text in French which gives a demonstration of
    the convergence between  that information and thermodynamical
    neguentropy. Since twenty years, I did not find an english review
    which was interested by this problem, because I am biologist and
    the biological reviews were not interested.

    */[John Collier] I agree. I have read only an English translation
    of Science and Information Theory. I read it as an undergrad, and
    it has strongly influenced my views. It is unfortunate, I think,
    that it hasn’t influenced English speaking scientists much. I have
    also seen some bad misreadings of what he was saying./*

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