From: Otto E. Rossler <>
 To: Gyorgy Darvas <>; fis <> 
Cc: Louis H Kauffman <>; Pedro C. Marijuan 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 3:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story
I conform with Geörgyi's tale.

      From: Gyorgy Darvas <>
 To: fis <> 
Cc: Otto E. Rossler <>; Louis H Kauffman <>; 
Pedro C. Marijuan <>
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story
 Dear All, I follow O. Rössler's concerns for a few years. As a physicist (who 
is probably not the best specialist in the black hole physics), I do not want 
to involve in detailed physical explanations and mathematical proofs for 
information specialists, not certainly specialised in physics. 
  According to me, there is a misunderstanding that makes the story curious. 
Stellar black holes are a result of a gravitational collapse. That collapse 
takes place, when the mass of the star exceeds a critical value; it is a result 
of the locally high gravitational field. that gravitational field is stronger 
than the electromagnetic field that (in a very simplified picture) keeps the  
electrons revolve in a distance around the nucleus. 
 In the course of that gravitational collapse the electron shells of the atoms 
fall in the nucleus.  The properties of the black holes are defined for them. 
The star becomes very small in size, but has a strong gravitational field, and 
behaves like described in the bh literature.
 Cause: high gravity; effect: collapse, emergence of a bh.
  One can produce single atom collapse in extreme laboratory circumstances. Why 
not? However, that single (or few) atom collapse will not produce a 
gravitational field exceeding the critical value; since its mass is much less 
than the critical. The reason is that it was "created" not by a self-generated 
gravitational collapse. Therefore, it will not "eat" matter in its environment. 
According to the lack of distance between the nucleus and electron shell(s) 
around it, these "atoms" (sic!) are called mini-black-holes. However, they do 
not behave like the stellar black holes over the critical mass. The name is 
only an analogy, marked by the prefix "mini-".
 Cause: not high gravity; effect: no critical mass, no more attraction of other 
masses around it than before its collapse. 
 On 2017.01.11. 11:33, Otto E. Rossler wrote:
  I like this response from Lou, Otto 
        From: Louis H Kauffman <>
 To: Pedro C. Marijuan <> 
 Cc: fis <>
 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story
  Dear Folks, It is very important to not be hasty and assume that the warning 
Professor Rossler made is to be taken seriously. It is relatively easy to check 
if a mathematical reasoning is true or false. It is much more difficult to see 
if a piece of mathematics is correctly alligned to physical prediction. Note 
also that a reaction such as  "THIS STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN 
of scientific rational discussion, but rather in the form of taking a given 
conclusion for granted  and using it to support another opinion that is just 
that - an opinion.  
  By concatenating such behaviors we arrive at the present political state of 
the world. 
  This is why, in my letter, I have asked for an honest discussion of the 
possible validity of Professor Rossler’s arguments. 
  At this point I run out of commentary room for this week and I shall read and 
look forward to making further comments next week. Best, Lou Kauffman 
  On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan <> 
       From Alex Hankey -------- Mensaje reenviado --------  
| Asunto:  | Re: [Fis] A Curious Story |
| Fecha:  | Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:55:55 +0530 |
| De:  | Alex Hankey <> |

<> wrote:
  Dear FISers, 
  Herewith the Lecture inaugurating our 2017 sessions. I really hope that this 
Curious Story is just that, a curiosity. But in science we should not look for 
hopes but for arguments and counter-arguments... 
  Best wishes to All and exciting times for the New Year! --Pedro 
   De: Otto E. Rossler []
 Enviado el: miércoles, 04 de enero de 2017 17:51
 Asunto: NY session
  A Curious Story   Otto E. Rossler, University of Tübingen, Germany
  Maybe I am the only one who finds it curious. Which fact would then make it 
even more curious for me. It goes like this: Someone  says “I can save your 
house from a time bomb planted into the basement” and you respond by saying “I 
don’t care.” This curious story is taken from the Buddhist bible.     It of 
course depends on who is offering to help. It could be a lunatic person 
claiming that he alone can save the planet from a  time-bomb about to be 
planted into it. In that case, there would be no reason to worry. On the other 
hand, it could also be that you, the manager, are a bit high at the moment so 
that you don't fully appreciate the offer made to you. How serious is my offer 
herewith made  to you today?   I only say that for eight years' time already, 
there exists no counter-proof in the literature to my at first highly 
publicized  proof of danger. I was able to demonstrate that the miniature black 
holes officially attempted to be produced at CERN do possess two radically new 
   - they cannot Hawking evaporate 
   - they grow exponentially inside matter   
   If these two findings hold water, the current attempt at producing 
ultra-slow miniature black holes on earth near the town of  Geneva means that 
the slower-most specimen will get stuck inside earth and grow there 
exponentially to turn the planet into a 2-cm black hole after several of 
undetectable growth. Therefore the current attempt of CERN's to produce them 
near Geneva is a bit curious.    What is so curious about CERN's attempt? It is 
the fact that no one finds it curious. I am reminded of an old joke: The 
professor  informs the candidate about the outcome of the oral exam with the 
following words “You are bound to laugh but you have flunked the test.” I never 
understood the punchline. I likewise cannot understand why a never refuted 
proof of the biggest danger of history  leaves everyone unconcerned. Why NOT 
check an unattended piece of luggage on the airport called Earth?     To my 
mind, this is the most curious story ever -- for the very reason that everyone 
finds it boring. A successful counter-proof  would thus alleviate but a single 
person’s fears – mine. You, my dear reader, are thus my last hope that you 
might be able to  explain the punch line to me: “Why is it that it does not 
matter downstairs that the first floor is ablaze?” I am genuinely curious to 
learn why  attempting planetocide is fun.  Are you not?
  For J.O.R.
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