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From: Otto E. Rossler <oeros...@yahoo.com>
To: Gyorgy Darvas <darv...@iif.hu>; fis <fis@listas.unizar.es>
Cc: Louis H Kauffman <lou...@gmail.com>; Pedro C. Marijuan
<pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story
I conform with Geörgyi's tale.
From: Gyorgy Darvas <darv...@iif.hu>
To: fis <fis@listas.unizar.es>
Cc: Otto E. Rossler <oeros...@yahoo.com>; Louis H Kauffman <lou...@gmail.com>;
Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story
Dear All, I follow O. Rössler's concerns for a few years. As a physicist (who
is probably not the best specialist in the black hole physics), I do not want
to involve in detailed physical explanations and mathematical proofs for
information specialists, not certainly specialised in physics.
According to me, there is a misunderstanding that makes the story curious.
Stellar black holes are a result of a gravitational collapse. That collapse
takes place, when the mass of the star exceeds a critical value; it is a result
of the locally high gravitational field. that gravitational field is stronger
than the electromagnetic field that (in a very simplified picture) keeps the
electrons revolve in a distance around the nucleus.
In the course of that gravitational collapse the electron shells of the atoms
fall in the nucleus. The properties of the black holes are defined for them.
The star becomes very small in size, but has a strong gravitational field, and
behaves like described in the bh literature.
Cause: high gravity; effect: collapse, emergence of a bh.
One can produce single atom collapse in extreme laboratory circumstances. Why
not? However, that single (or few) atom collapse will not produce a
gravitational field exceeding the critical value; since its mass is much less
than the critical. The reason is that it was "created" not by a self-generated
gravitational collapse. Therefore, it will not "eat" matter in its environment.
According to the lack of distance between the nucleus and electron shell(s)
around it, these "atoms" (sic!) are called mini-black-holes. However, they do
not behave like the stellar black holes over the critical mass. The name is
only an analogy, marked by the prefix "mini-".
Cause: not high gravity; effect: no critical mass, no more attraction of other
masses around it than before its collapse.
Regards,
Gyuri
On 2017.01.11. 11:33, Otto E. Rossler wrote:
I like this response from Lou, Otto
From: Louis H Kauffman <lou...@gmail.com>
To: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>
Cc: fis <fis@listas.unizar.es>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Fis] A Curious Story
Dear Folks, It is very important to not be hasty and assume that the warning
Professor Rossler made is to be taken seriously. It is relatively easy to check
if a mathematical reasoning is true or false. It is much more difficult to see
if a piece of mathematics is correctly alligned to physical prediction. Note
also that a reaction such as "THIS STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN
CERN PERMANENTLY AND SAVING A LOT OF LARGELY WASTED MONEY.”. Is not in the form
of scientific rational discussion, but rather in the form of taking a given
conclusion for granted and using it to support another opinion that is just
that - an opinion.
By concatenating such behaviors we arrive at the present political state of
the world.
This is why, in my letter, I have asked for an honest discussion of the
possible validity of Professor Rossler’s arguments.
At this point I run out of commentary room for this week and I shall read and
look forward to making further comments next week. Best, Lou Kauffman
On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>
wrote:
From Alex Hankey -------- Mensaje reenviado --------
| Asunto: | Re: [Fis] A Curious Story |
| Fecha: | Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:55:55 +0530 |
| De: | Alex Hankey <alexhan...@gmail.com> |
| Para: | PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> |
THIS STORY IS A GOOD REASON FOR SHUTTING DOWN CERN PERMANENTLY AND SAVING
A LOT OF LARGELY WASTED MONEY.
On 5 January 2017 at 16:36, PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
<pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> wrote:
Dear FISers,
Herewith the Lecture inaugurating our 2017 sessions. I really hope that this
Curious Story is just that, a curiosity. But in science we should not look for
hopes but for arguments and counter-arguments...
Best wishes to All and exciting times for the New Year! --Pedro
De: Otto E. Rossler [oeros...@yahoo.com]
Enviado el: miércoles, 04 de enero de 2017 17:51
Para: PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
Asunto: NY session
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A Curious Story Otto E. Rossler, University of Tübingen, Germany
Maybe I am the only one who finds it curious. Which fact would then make it
even more curious for me. It goes like this: Someone says “I can save your
house from a time bomb planted into the basement” and you respond by saying “I
don’t care.” This curious story is taken from the Buddhist bible. It of
course depends on who is offering to help. It could be a lunatic person
claiming that he alone can save the planet from a time-bomb about to be
planted into it. In that case, there would be no reason to worry. On the other
hand, it could also be that you, the manager, are a bit high at the moment so
that you don't fully appreciate the offer made to you. How serious is my offer
herewith made to you today? I only say that for eight years' time already,
there exists no counter-proof in the literature to my at first highly
publicized proof of danger. I was able to demonstrate that the miniature black
holes officially attempted to be produced at CERN do possess two radically new
properties:
- they cannot Hawking evaporate
- they grow exponentially inside matter
If these two findings hold water, the current attempt at producing
ultra-slow miniature black holes on earth near the town of Geneva means that
the slower-most specimen will get stuck inside earth and grow there
exponentially to turn the planet into a 2-cm black hole after several of
undetectable growth. Therefore the current attempt of CERN's to produce them
near Geneva is a bit curious. What is so curious about CERN's attempt? It is
the fact that no one finds it curious. I am reminded of an old joke: The
professor informs the candidate about the outcome of the oral exam with the
following words “You are bound to laugh but you have flunked the test.” I never
understood the punchline. I likewise cannot understand why a never refuted
proof of the biggest danger of history leaves everyone unconcerned. Why NOT
check an unattended piece of luggage on the airport called Earth? To my
mind, this is the most curious story ever -- for the very reason that everyone
finds it boring. A successful counter-proof would thus alleviate but a single
person’s fears – mine. You, my dear reader, are thus my last hope that you
might be able to explain the punch line to me: “Why is it that it does not
matter downstairs that the first floor is ablaze?” I am genuinely curious to
learn why attempting planetocide is fun. Are you not?
For J.O.R.
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