One word.. jQuery.

In my option it is the next best thing to flash.
I have been able to recreate most, if not all of my flash pieces with it.

<body> is your canvas. (NOT a reference to HTML5 BTW, think artist canvas =)
<DIV> is your friend. Call it your MovieClip.
<p> is a helper when layout has text.
if your daring enough to learn the proper way to use it,
<table>, <tr> and the good ol <td> can make a sound foundation.
(Not the going consensus though, I just know how to use them properly.
most people like to use a table-less design and thats just <DIV>s galore with CSS.)

jQuery can create any element you want on the fly (Not sure about the HTML tag though, never tried. I use php to create any new HTML) and manipulate it (in some cases) better than flash and an MC. jQuery has not been a memory hoooooogggg like flash was for me
and like I said, I have recreated most of what I did with flash.

Just a very small run-down an there is A LOT more I have not touched on that you can utilize.
The future is not so bleak, IMO.

I just assume let Adobe burry Flash if this is the effort they would put towards it.
I learned Flash much like you. I hated the limitations of HTML.
Saw flash and asked, why can't HTML do this stuff??
Well now it can, or I should say, it kind-of always could,

I just didn't know Javascript and CSS...

HTH,

Best,
Karl

PS: Flash still is my love, but she's left me to figure out who she is. I wait with baited breath...

On Jan 13, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Ktu wrote:

*preamble:*
a recent thread got me thinking about my educational experience, and why i love flash so much. i started html, hated it, then tried flash, all in high school. after high school i eventually went to a college for two semesters and learned some c++ and java (java was easier, but understanding the power
of c++ was cool).

i realized i didn't like html because you couldn't do anything with it. it was just presentation. i wanted to do logic. flash, allowed me to do logic. when i learned html javascript was brand new and my high school teacher
knew nothing of it (barely knew anything of anything). so what flash
allowed me was a place to immediately make things happen (started just when
as2 came out).

*problem:*
even after you include css, dynamic css, and javascript to html you still
have this one problem which is the whole reason i hate html. the
presentation layer is black boxed. i think there are two elements to that
which need addressing; one being the browser wars, the other being the
(imho) new powers of javascript and the html/css standards.

each tag we use in html is a black box. i can't change the way it behaves. worse yet, each browser (and os) represent things differently. right off the bat its hard to make a single experience. but these black boxes make
innovation harder.

ok, so with javascript and such you could build your own 'scroll bar' and 'scrolling content', but you are still confined within the black boxes you are given, and merely using them in a way they weren't initially designed
for.


how is it that anyone enjoys working in an environment where their ui is so
locked down? (or is it?)


*haters:*
to make comment on flash's ui black box:
yes, their display architecture is a black box and we must conform to that.
i get that, but the black box in flash ui is more of a foundation to a
house that we can't touch. where as i see html as being pre built rooms
that we can stitch together.



*what's up:*
i have not touched html in years; i am biased; i am open minded, am i
missing something about html? have they added 'lower level' tags that act
more like a foundation?
can javascript 'create' new html tags?

with the way things are going, i think the global web language will
eventually need to have fewer black boxes in the ui (if that's not the case
today)

...,?



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