Just so we're clear, I don't mean they simply enjoy their jobs. I'm talking
about the guys who constantly learn, adapt and take their work home with
them on a regular basis. The guys who eat, breathe and sleep their jobs. 

I've found that there are many guys fresh out of school who are like this
for the first 6 months to a year and than taper off. Than it's simply 9 to 5
and everything else is a waste.

If you know a lot of them, than you're living in a pretty unique place
compared to where I'm from. I'm pretty rigged into the industry here and
generally most of the guys couldn't even do that if they wanted to. They
have families or other commitments that infringe on their time.

Cheers,

!k

-----Original Message-----
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williams
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Software Development Position

Thats interesting. I dont know many computer programmers that arent
passionate - degree or not. Of course I am not a useful statistical
sample, but obviously have had a different life experience.

On 9/18/06, Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course, but it's quite rare. I'm not saying all non-graduates are
> passionate about learning their trade either. More often than not being
> passionate about what you do for a living is pretty rare...
>
> !k
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank
> williams
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:57 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Software Development Position
>
> Are both not possible?
>
> On 9/18/06, Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I hear what you mean, as that has bit me in the ass a few times. I
> honestly
> > believe though that the people who learn out of passion, instead of
> > requirement, end up with a better understanding in the end anyhow.
> >
> > !k
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
Watts
> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:41 PM
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> > Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Software Development Position
> >
> > > Exactly, and I'm skeptical of anyone who requires a CompSci
> > > degree for a Flash position because there isn't a single
> > > college degree for Flash programming.  ;)
> >
> > Comp Sci isn't about Flash programming, or Java programming, or {insert
> > language flavor of the week} programming. It's not even about
programming.
> > My personal observation, however, is that people who have a comp sci
> > background tend to make better programmers than those who don't. The
best
> > Flash programmers I've met, personally, have comp sci backgrounds, for
> what
> > that's worth.
> >
> > Personally, I don't have that background, unfortunately, and I have
> > certainly felt its absence at times; there are a bunch of things I've
had
> to
> > learn the hard way as a result.
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