Not even close. I think you don't quite get what I mean and for some reason seem to think that not being "passionate about programming" is negative.
!k -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:12 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Software Development Position But it sounds like you consider having a family or other committments mutually exclusive to "passion" or even continued learning. My definition of passion did not require neglecting family though certainly after hours work is generally an indicator of passion. Personally, I know of several programmers that have a wife and kids and who dedicate time to them, that I would consider passionate programmers, though our definitons may be diverging. Personally, I consider being a well rounded person useful in the context of developing software for human beings. And though, right now I am chained to my computer in a crunch to release a product, I dont consider "having a life" to be a detriment to being passionate about anything - programming included. Hank On 9/18/06, Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just so we're clear, I don't mean they simply enjoy their jobs. I'm talking > about the guys who constantly learn, adapt and take their work home with > them on a regular basis. The guys who eat, breathe and sleep their jobs. > > I've found that there are many guys fresh out of school who are like this > for the first 6 months to a year and than taper off. Than it's simply 9 to 5 > and everything else is a waste. > > If you know a lot of them, than you're living in a pretty unique place > compared to where I'm from. I'm pretty rigged into the industry here and > generally most of the guys couldn't even do that if they wanted to. They > have families or other commitments that infringe on their time. > > Cheers, > > !k > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank > williams > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:27 AM > To: Flashcoders mailing list > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Software Development Position > > Thats interesting. I dont know many computer programmers that arent > passionate - degree or not. Of course I am not a useful statistical > sample, but obviously have had a different life experience. > > On 9/18/06, Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of course, but it's quite rare. I'm not saying all non-graduates are > > passionate about learning their trade either. More often than not being > > passionate about what you do for a living is pretty rare... > > > > !k > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank > > williams > > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:57 AM > > To: Flashcoders mailing list > > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Software Development Position > > > > Are both not possible? > > > > On 9/18/06, Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I hear what you mean, as that has bit me in the ass a few times. I > > honestly > > > believe though that the people who learn out of passion, instead of > > > requirement, end up with a better understanding in the end anyhow. > > > > > > !k > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave > Watts > > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:41 PM > > > To: Flashcoders mailing list > > > Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Software Development Position > > > > > > > Exactly, and I'm skeptical of anyone who requires a CompSci > > > > degree for a Flash position because there isn't a single > > > > college degree for Flash programming. ;) > > > > > > Comp Sci isn't about Flash programming, or Java programming, or {insert > > > language flavor of the week} programming. It's not even about > programming. > > > My personal observation, however, is that people who have a comp sci > > > background tend to make better programmers than those who don't. 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