:) its what i do best.. ramble... i am so ready for politics i swear...
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 01:12:00 +0100, Simon Fifield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Scott, > > I love the disclaimer at the bottom of your mossyblog.com site: > > > We own this crap (Any hacking, copying, spaming, etc will result in > headbutts) All trademarks property of their owners. blah blah.. . We also > reserve the right to use poor spelling, terrible gramma and at times are not > required to make sense. We are NOT Macromedia worshipers, we are infact > Monkeys at a keyboard...OooO.OoO.oo > Nice. > > Simon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 April 2005 00:57 > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex 1.5 price > > > > > I have been dealing with Macromedia/allaire since 1997. And I have > > never once seen a price decrease. and in all of that time I want to > > say the typical price increase has been about 100%. Or if not a > > price increase a drop off in what you are getting.. 4 CPus now is > > only 2. (CFMX) 2 Cpus is now only 1 (Flex). > > That goes with inflation, technology increases and what not. I'm yet > to see any software really get lower in price with increase in > features...its like crack, give it cheaply away for free early then > once they are hooked, up the price heh...not saying i smoke crack - > well it would explain a lot - just an analogy. > > > > > Along time ago they decided to go with the strategy of Fewer > > customers paying higher bills. 200 new customers does not sound like > > a lot, which is why you have to charge a lot. it certainly is not on > > the install base of asp, .NET etc. Clearly they like FLEX becasue it > > is new and they can charge twice what they charge for CFMX. > > You *could* argue the whole Qty vs Quality, 200 customers @ > $12k(2xCPU) or 500 customers at 6k(2xCPU) - now you could say that 300 > customers could of bought them at 12k and so thats a loss in profits - > but reality dictates that those 300 customers could bought into the > product based on price. I'm also a little fuzzy as to the what IT > Manager in what Enterprise corporation looks at a product like FLEX, > (even without knowing it) gives it a test run and simply turns to the > powers that be and go "yeah, i think its too cheap so i'm not going to > buy it now...if it were double the price, well then maybe ..) I know > i'm fueling an argument here but that is a consistent reply i seem to > read where people go "Enterprise buy big, its too cheap etc" > > We bought the product without thinking of the price at all, it was > more out of need / and how we could best use it and so thats why i'm > in different to the price uphike because i have a rich company to play > in. Yet if the whole "its priced for enterprise" companies is just > plain silly to me as a lot of IT Managers i know here in Australia in > some pretty darn big corporations tend to think conservatively about > their spending. I know one company who refuses to buy FLEX because > they see Macromedia as this company shouting from the roof tops "we > are no longer web agency specific..hello..we are now enterprise..see > our products have the word enterprise in them now...carn gimme fiddy-k > in products" > > hehe. that was his exact words btw. > > > In 2 years it will be FLEX 40k, and you will have only a small base > > of people to hire, and if you want a FLEX developer plan on building > > a 6 month training process into the hire. > > Yes, I did a costings on MossyBlog when flex first came out read: > > http://www.mossyblog.com/archives/235.cfm - Flex The Hidden Costs. > > I as a personal developer hate the price tag as i want to use FLEX for > one of my get rich quick apps floating around in my head hehehe. Yet, > again as an employee for the company i work with and the buying power > we have, its not a sore point - the future is and thats where i end up > caving in on price. > > Lazlo needs more work, compare as much as you want and strip it down > to what it can offer today. Tommorow is another debate and it could > just fade away (like many Open Source projects before it) - or it > could ramp up and be this dark horse. The point is, how much money and > investment will it take to get Lazlo to the point at which you can use > Flex now? what benefits is it bringing to the table? what is its > background? what's its community like? what's its capabilities in > terms of integration with your legacy systems or current technology > etc.. > > I did this little audit a while back for here, and while $15k made my > first tier give me this "eh, please explain" - he straight away saw > why it was beneficial as all i had to go with was DHTML...15k to code > DHTML would be spent in the first 3 months alone in terms man power, > testing and may i add a this point no actual worthwhile apps are made. > > I see Laszlo as the same in many ways. Its too immature and needs more > time in the oven. > > Flex is the sleeping giant. > > > -- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.mossyblog.com > http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! 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