Hi Scott
Can you point to a compelling silverlight app that runs on my Mac in
Firefox without me having to install a new plugin?
How about something that'll run on my linux desktop?
What Flex/Flash has got that MS hasn't is a pretty much ubiquitous
runtime in the browser.
On top of that, Macrobe has years of history working with the
creatives who design web content. I've been working with their
products for a dozen or so years.
MS may have lots of .NET developers, but how many of those can create
compelling GUIs?
Guy
On 15/08/2008, at 2:56 PM, Scott Barnes wrote:
Cross Platform
Silverlight is x-platform.
Much more traction and an established user base.
Depends on which brochure you want to read (Adobe/Microsoft), but
we've got approx 20,000 folks registered on Silverlight.NET forums
and there's approx 9,000+ here on this forum. Furthermore, Adobe's
entire development population is measured in thousands, where
as .NET folks are measured in millions. Given the industry is in
what we'd call an upgrade phase, it will be interesting to see how
this pans out in the near future and how the desktop vs web
converge. We've not tapped into how many folks are using the Dynamic
Language Runtime and given projects like the PHP community, may also
swell the numbers further etc..(http://www.infoq.com/news/2008/01/Silverlight-PHP
) we have more plans to grow Silverlight beyond the .NET way of
life, its about standards and open source with us as well :) but
hey, which brochure you want to believe in is up to you.. no harm no
foul.
Standard (client-side) libraries are allegedly a lot broader in Flex
than Silverlight.
Again, depends on who's brochure you want to believe. We've got more
third party vendors producing Silverlight/WPF related controls
today, and Codeplex.com has 98 Silverlight specific projects
available that we know of. WPF and Silverlight have the ability
share and re-use the same code base depending on specific features
and so, this is kind of an open debate with an unlikely definitive
outcome in terms of a definition of win.
Not evil.
Microsoft isn't evil, its just me :) .. Evil is a typical term that
at times is associated with the brand, but given half the people I
work with came from Apple/Adobe/Macromedia/IBM/Sun/Google? does that
make them evil as well in that when they handed in their identity
badges at companies like Macromedia/Adobe did they pass through some
gate which sprayed them with Evil? ..
Price.
Silverlight is Free as in beer, you can code in Visual Studio
Express for free today and produce Silverlight. We're also seeing
folks spin-up Eclipse like editors (eg: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/09/03/lunar-eclipse-open-source-silverlight-design-tool-for-linux)
for Silverlight and there are more and more being developed today
(in fact I'm meeting with someone on Monday about his editor +
Silverlight and other languages)
Adobe AIR's actual use in the mainstream is open for debate, but we
believe with Silverlight and WPF we've got all areas covered. We're
also ensuring Silverlight runtime works on the mobile in the future
and at MIX we joined forces with Nokia to make this a reality. The
same runtime will work on the desktop and device, and this means
there will not be a "Silverlight lite" vs "Silverlight" (as we've
heard from customers around the problems of having Flash lite vs
Flash).
HTH.
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Josh McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Well the benefits (assuming silverlight as the other option) become:
* Cross platform
* Much more traction and an established user base
* Standard (client-side) libraries are allegedly a lot broader in
Flex than Silverlight. Just repeating what I've heard here though, I
don't know for sure.
* Not evil - IMHO of course, but this _is_ a Flex list ;-)
* Don't quote me on this, but probably substantially cheaper (for a
commercial license) unless you already have VS
I don't know what capabilities the Silverlight equivalent of AIR
has. But AIR apps will run on Mac Win and Linux, whereas Silverlight
is Mac / Win (client plugin) only, development is Win only. Also the
AIR equivalent may even be windows-clients only. Personally I avoid
anything that means I'm stuck with any one platform. I like choice,
what if the next Windows / OS X is awful?
-Josh
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM, itdanny2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
But if the only to do the sync is to
install a program in desktop. Then,
any benefit of AIR is better than
Microsoft'stuf ? Sorry, it is a management
question so that we can sell our management
while our other development is on MS platform.
Inshort, any good point in AIR which is better ?
Thanks
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> Anything that lives in a browser is not going to be able to have a
local
> database, going to microsoft won't change that.
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> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:03 AM, itdanny2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > I need to build a web-based Application which
> > has data in Client & Server, sync is required.
> >
> > AIR
> > ---
> > Support SQLite in client side - It's ok but we
> > want web-based so that installation is not
> > required. Go to anywhere, just a click to see
> > data.
> >
> > FLEX
> > ----
> > It can't have database operation such as SQLite
> > in client. I don't think cookie is a solution due
> > to large volume of data.
> >
> > I need to defence and stay in Flex faction in
> > my company. Any good point(s) that make me won't
> > in camp of VS.Net ?
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