Is this a question or statement? :) All the best.
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Guy Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh and the way MS has stiffed SVG as a standard by refusing to support > it in IE definitely pushes them into the category of evil. They even > "embraced and extended" the acronym when they named their competing product > SilVerliGht. > I choose Flex because I don't want to live in a world dominated by MS > technology, given their prior behaviour towards competitors and standards. > It's the same reason I encourage the use of open source software whenever I > can. YMMV, but I'd urge all developers to consider the ethics behind the > tech they choose to support. > > > On 15/08/2008, at 2:56 PM, Scott Barnes wrote: > > > > - Cross Platform > - Silverlight is x-platform. > - Much more traction and an established user base. > - Depends on which brochure you want to read (Adobe/Microsoft), but > we've got approx 20,000 folks registered on Silverlight.NET forums and > there's approx 9,000+ here on this forum. Furthermore, Adobe's entire > development population is measured in thousands, where as .NET folks are > measured in millions. Given the industry is in what we'd call an upgrade > phase, it will be interesting to see how this pans out in the near > future > and how the desktop vs web converge. We've not tapped into how many > folks > are using the Dynamic Language Runtime and given projects like the PHP > community, may also swell the numbers further etc..( > http://www.infoq.com/news/2008/01/Silverlight-PHP) we have more > plans to grow Silverlight beyond the .NET way of life, its about > standards > and open source with us as well :) but hey, which brochure you want to > believe in is up to you.. no harm no foul. > - Standard (client-side) libraries are allegedly a lot broader in Flex > than Silverlight. > - Again, depends on who's brochure you want to believe. We've got > more third party vendors producing Silverlight/WPF related controls > today, > and Codeplex.com has 98 Silverlight specific projects available that we > know > of. WPF and Silverlight have the ability share and re-use the same code > base > depending on specific features and so, this is kind of an open debate > with > an unlikely definitive outcome in terms of a definition of win. > - Not evil. > - Microsoft isn't evil, its just me :) .. Evil is a typical term > that at times is associated with the brand, but given half the people I > work > with came from Apple/Adobe/Macromedia/IBM/Sun/Google? does that make > them > evil as well in that when they handed in their identity badges at > companies > like Macromedia/Adobe did they pass through some gate which sprayed them > with Evil? .. > - Price. > - Silverlight is Free as in beer, you can code in Visual Studio > Express for free today and produce Silverlight. We're also seeing folks > spin-up Eclipse like editors (eg: > > http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/09/03/lunar-eclipse-open-source-silverlight-design-tool-for-linux) > for Silverlight and there are more and more being developed today (in > fact > I'm meeting with someone on Monday about his editor + Silverlight and > other > languages) > > Adobe AIR's actual use in the mainstream is open for debate, but we believe > with Silverlight and WPF we've got all areas covered. We're also ensuring > Silverlight runtime works on the mobile in the future and at MIX we joined > forces with Nokia to make this a reality. The same runtime will work on the > desktop and device, and this means there will not be a "Silverlight lite" vs > "Silverlight" (as we've heard from customers around the problems of having > Flash lite vs Flash). > > HTH. > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Josh McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Well the benefits (assuming silverlight as the other option) become: >> >> * Cross platform >> * Much more traction and an established user base >> * Standard (client-side) libraries are allegedly a lot broader in Flex >> than Silverlight. Just repeating what I've heard here though, I don't know >> for sure. >> * Not evil - IMHO of course, but this _is_ a Flex list ;-) >> * Don't quote me on this, but probably substantially cheaper (for a >> commercial license) unless you already have VS >> >> I don't know what capabilities the Silverlight equivalent of AIR has. But >> AIR apps will run on Mac Win and Linux, whereas Silverlight is Mac / Win >> (client plugin) only, development is Win only. Also the AIR equivalent may >> even be windows-clients only. Personally I avoid anything that means I'm >> stuck with any one platform. I like choice, what if the next Windows / OS X >> is awful? >> >> -Josh >> >> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM, itdanny2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> But if the only to do the sync is to >>> install a program in desktop. Then, >>> any benefit of AIR is better than >>> Microsoft'stuf ? Sorry, it is a management >>> question so that we can sell our management >>> while our other development is on MS platform. >>> Inshort, any good point in AIR which is better ? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Josh McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Anything that lives in a browser is not going to be able to have a >>> local >>> > database, going to microsoft won't change that. >>> > >>> > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:03 AM, itdanny2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > I need to build a web-based Application which >>> > > has data in Client & Server, sync is required. >>> > > >>> > > AIR >>> > > --- >>> > > Support SQLite in client side - It's ok but we >>> > > want web-based so that installation is not >>> > > required. Go to anywhere, just a click to see >>> > > data. >>> > > >>> > > FLEX >>> > > ---- >>> > > It can't have database operation such as SQLite >>> > > in client. I don't think cookie is a solution due >>> > > to large volume of data. >>> > > >>> > > I need to defence and stay in Flex faction in >>> > > my company. Any good point(s) that make me won't >>> > > in camp of VS.Net ? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ------------------------------------ >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > Flexcoders Mailing List >>> > > FAQ: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt >>> > > Search Archives: >>> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! >>> Groups >>> > > Links >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > "Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for >>> thee." >>> > >>> > :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald >>> > :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> -- >>> Flexcoders Mailing List >>> FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt >>> Search Archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups >>> Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> "Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee." >> >> :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald >> :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > > > -- > Regards, > > Scott Barnes > Rich Client Platform Manager > Microsoft. > > http://blogs.msdn.com/msmossyblog > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes Rich Client Platform Manager Microsoft. http://blogs.msdn.com/msmossyblog
