I meant to say "prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework that doesn't depend on a proprietary runtime"
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Richard Rodseth <rrods...@gmail.com> wrote: > I very much enjoyed my time as a Flex developer, and wish the Apache > project well. Some of the criticism of Adobe seems misplaced. The writing > was on the wall when the most popular mobile platform (iOS) didn't allow > browser plug-ins. I'm not painting Apple as a villain either. It's just > business. > > Though Phonegap looks nice, AIR still seems pretty compelling for > cross-platform mobile *app* development. It will be interesting to watch > the level of investment in AIR (it is, after all, used by Adobe apps). Now > that browser plug-ins are unpopular/impossible, and captive runtime is the > way to go, it seems to me Adobe could open-source the AIR runtime, while > still retaining control of the Flash Player browser plug-in. Wouldn't that > further energize the Apache Flex project? The prospect of a cross-platform > mobile app framework with the side-benefit of running on > still-ubiquitous-on-desktop Flash Player? > > Aside: Remember OpenLaszlo? > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:28 AM, <michael_reg...@dell.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> You bring up some good points. I have been on a few calls between our >> company and with Adobe on this exact subject right after the announcements >> were made. We grilled them with questions, and though I won’t fully >> disclose many of their answers here, our development teams were confident >> enough to stick with Adobe Flex. We realize that long-term, technologies >> shift. I started out as a C++ developer doing low-level SCSI. Now doing >> UIs in Flex. In 5 years will I be doing HTML 5, ZK, Silverlight, some >> other new technology? Who knows. But for now, I’m actually excited to >> have a greater role in the direction Flex takes for now, and welcome any >> challenges making it Open Source may bring. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> The product we developed using Adobe Flex was ranked as one of the top 15 >> products for 2011 by CRN. Didn’t see any HTML 5 apps there. I think this >> says something about where Flex is, and it still holds some ground. The >> technology decision should be based on your projects, your long-term >> direction, and your talent pool. I’d recommend not jumping ship, just to >> jump ship. You never know where that ship may sail!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *Michael J. Regert*** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Ron G >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM >> >> *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com >> *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives**** >> >> ** ** >> >> **** >> >> Hi James, >> >> >> I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but >> I would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be >> developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long. >> >> I could write at length about this, but, in a nutshell, here's why. On >> the one hand, you have an open-source project that is geared toward >> enterprise application development, but it is completely dependent on a >> proprietary runtime. That runtime is manufactured by a company who has >> stated its future is "digital media and digital marketing", and that it >> believes the future of enterprise web application development is HTML5. It >> then begs the question, "How long will they bloat their Flashplayer to >> support an open-source Flex community's enterprise web application >> development goals and wishes?" >> >> To accommodate the Flex community, Adobe gets nothing in return for its >> expenditure of time and money in designing, developing, testing the >> features the Flex community requires now and in the future. It also means >> that, by supporting Flex in their runtime, the Flashplayer has an >> unnecessarily larger footprint than would otherwise be required. >> >> So, ask yourself if you truly believe Flex will be a supported product by >> Adobe in 5-10 years from now. I highly doubt it. >> >> On the other hand, I think if a developer uses Flash Pro to develop >> digital media for their applications, they can probably count on that being >> around indefinitely. But, not Flex. >> >> Ron >> >> --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, James Ong <yanlilei64@...> wrote: >> > >> > Using ZK and Java is great. I'm still sticking to Flex for developing >> > desktop applications and gaming. >> > Of course, many will still using it for animations, there is no such >> thing >> > as "abandon", some developers >> > are just over use Flash and end up hurting user experience than >> necessary. >> > >> > When it comes to web application, I stick to PHP but will definitely use >> > Flex for mobile, desktop and >> > components within the web browser. >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM, <michael_regert@...> wrote: >> > >> > > ** >> > > >> > > >> > > Staying with Flex. Not looking elsewhere.**** >> > > >> > > ** ** >> > > >> > > *Michael***** >> > > >> > > ** ** >> > > >> > > *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] >> *On >> > > Behalf Of *Ron G >> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM >> > > *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com >> > > *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives**** >> > > >> > > ** ** >> > > >> > > **** >> > > >> > > Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are >> already a >> > > Java shop, on the server side, it seemed logical to use a Java based >> > > framework on the client-side. >> > > >> > > The thing I really like about ZK or ZKoss is that it has equivalent >> > > components to Flex. In fact, it actually has more components than >> Flex. >> > > >> > > It implements an approach that I really like of separating the UI into >> > > appearance and behavior - much like the Spark components of Flex. >> Well, not >> > > exactly, but sort of. :) Here's what I mean. For each UI object, it >> has a >> > > client side (widget) and server side (component). I won't go into >> further >> > > detail, but it gives you a nice separation of concerns that you can >> avail >> > > yourself of. This feature also greatly insulates the rendered pages >> from >> > > x-browser compatibility issues. >> > > >> > > Check it out for yourself at their site (zkoss.org). >> > > >> > > Ron >> > > >> > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Sal" <sal.celli@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > hi, >> > > > as i can sadly see from the message history bottom grid, many >> > > programmers are leaving flex. >> > > > So this thread is to ask you all, if you have already found a valid >> > > alternative to flex for RIA development. >> > > >**** >> > > >> > > **** >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >**** >> >> **** >> >> >> > >
