Apache FlashKit ! On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote:
> ** > > > Open-sourcing AIR would be an awesome thing, but the Apache project has to > assume it won’t happen. > > > > On 1/13/12 9:19 AM, "Richard Rodseth" <rrods...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I meant to say "prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework that > doesn't depend on a proprietary runtime" > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Richard Rodseth <rrods...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I very much enjoyed my time as a Flex developer, and wish the Apache > project well. Some of the criticism of Adobe seems misplaced. The writing > was on the wall when the most popular mobile platform (iOS) didn't allow > browser plug-ins. I'm not painting Apple as a villain either. It's just > business. > > Though Phonegap looks nice, AIR still seems pretty compelling for > cross-platform mobile *app* development. It will be interesting to watch > the level of investment in AIR (it is, after all, used by Adobe apps). Now > that browser plug-ins are unpopular/impossible, and captive runtime is the > way to go, it seems to me Adobe could open-source the AIR runtime, while > still retaining control of the Flash Player browser plug-in. Wouldn't that > further energize the Apache Flex project? The prospect of a cross-platform > mobile app framework with the side-benefit of running on > still-ubiquitous-on-desktop Flash Player? > > Aside: Remember OpenLaszlo? > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:28 AM, <michael_reg...@dell.com> wrote: > > > > > > > You bring up some good points. I have been on a few calls between our > company and with Adobe on this exact subject right after the announcements > were made. We grilled them with questions, and though I won’t fully > disclose many of their answers here, our development teams were confident > enough to stick with Adobe Flex. We realize that long-term, technologies > shift. I started out as a C++ developer doing low-level SCSI. Now doing > UIs in Flex. In 5 years will I be doing HTML 5, ZK, Silverlight, some > other new technology? Who knows. But for now, I’m actually excited to > have a greater role in the direction Flex takes for now, and welcome any > challenges making it Open Source may bring. > > The product we developed using Adobe Flex was ranked as one of the top 15 > products for 2011 by CRN. Didn’t see any HTML 5 apps there. I think this > says something about where Flex is, and it still holds some ground. The > technology decision should be based on your projects, your long-term > direction, and your talent pool. I’d recommend not jumping ship, just to > jump ship. You never know where that ship may sail! > > > *Michael J. Regert > * > > *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com<flexcoders@yahoogroups.com>] > *On Behalf Of *Ron G > *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39 AM > > *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives > > > > Hi James, > > > > I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but > I would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be > developing with a technology that isn't going to be around that long. > > I could write at length about this, but, in a nutshell, here's why. On the > one hand, you have an open-source project that is geared toward enterprise > application development, but it is completely dependent on a proprietary > runtime. That runtime is manufactured by a company who has stated its > future is "digital media and digital marketing", and that it believes the > future of enterprise web application development is HTML5. It then begs the > question, "How long will they bloat their Flashplayer to support an > open-source Flex community's enterprise web application development goals > and wishes?" > > To accommodate the Flex community, Adobe gets nothing in return for its > expenditure of time and money in designing, developing, testing the > features the Flex community requires now and in the future. It also means > that, by supporting Flex in their runtime, the Flashplayer has an > unnecessarily larger footprint than would otherwise be required. > > So, ask yourself if you truly believe Flex will be a supported product by > Adobe in 5-10 years from now. I highly doubt it. > > On the other hand, I think if a developer uses Flash Pro to develop > digital media for their applications, they can probably count on that being > around indefinitely. But, not Flex. > > Ron > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com<flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>> > , James Ong <yanlilei64@...> wrote: > > > > Using ZK and Java is great. I'm still sticking to Flex for developing > > desktop applications and gaming. > > Of course, many will still using it for animations, there is no such > thing > > as "abandon", some developers > > are just over use Flash and end up hurting user experience than > necessary. > > > > When it comes to web application, I stick to PHP but will definitely use > > Flex for mobile, desktop and > > components within the web browser. > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM, <michael_regert@...> wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Staying with Flex. Not looking elsewhere.**** > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > *Michael***** > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com < > mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>> [ > mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> < > mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>> ] *On > > > > Behalf Of *Ron G > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM > > > *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com<flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives**** > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > **** > > > > > > Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are > already a > > > Java shop, on the server side, it seemed logical to use a Java based > > > framework on the client-side. > > > > > > The thing I really like about ZK or ZKoss is that it has equivalent > > > components to Flex. In fact, it actually has more components than Flex. > > > > > > It implements an approach that I really like of separating the UI into > > > appearance and behavior - much like the Spark components of Flex. > Well, not > > > exactly, but sort of. :) Here's what I mean. For each UI object, it > has a > > > client side (widget) and server side (component). I won't go into > further > > > detail, but it gives you a nice separation of concerns that you can > avail > > > yourself of. This feature also greatly insulates the rendered pages > from > > > x-browser compatibility issues. > > > > > > Check it out for yourself at their site (zkoss.org <http://zkoss.org> > ). > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com<flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>> > , "Sal" <sal.celli@> wrote: > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > as i can sadly see from the message history bottom grid, many > > > programmers are leaving flex. > > > > So this thread is to ask you all, if you have already found a valid > > > alternative to flex for RIA development. > > > >**** > > > > > > **** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Alex Harui > Flex SDK Team > Adobe Systems, Inc. > http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui > > >
