Dave, Do you have some kind of example of the app you are referring to? I'm not being so absurd as to ask if you could share with the group your app; but mainly your experience and perhaps any samples you found or created early on to learn AMF.
-r --- Dave Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ever coded a flex app using web services? I > have... the overhead in the > > flash player when grabbing the initial wsdl and > parsing it is huge... > > Yes we have. We did it in LifeCoach which is live > in production for a > fortune 50 company and was the MAX award finalist > last week at MAX. > I think we have some pretty significant real-world > experience and > feedback. > > > > as for gzipping it... you might want to read > this... > > > > I did. I can tell you our production level > benchmarking doesnt line > up with that. When you turn compression on in the > app in production > (server class hardware) the difference in > performance is noticeable > with the naked eye. Forget timing it to > mili-seconds. Literally our > phones rang within an hour asking what happened to > the app. I'm > guessing this was JRUN also which is a different > server, and we use a > different compressor rather then a J2EE servlet > filter. So as with > all benchmarks, your mileage may vary. > > > http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mchotin/archives/2004/11/enabling_gzip_c.cfm > > amf is http tunneled as base 64 encoded data... > > Which means when it tunnels you effectively *double* > the size of the > stream in bytes marshalled. Now you have no control > over that since > the packet filtering firewall is in control. As I > said, I'm an old > CORBA dork. We used to do this HTTP tunnel there > too. > > > > > I'm a huge advocate of web services... but not if > i can use amf... > amf is > > easily 2 to 3 times faster. (with INCREDIBLY > faster load times) > > I'm not anti-AMF. I'm not anti-binary protocols, > and I am *not* an > web services snob. Heck, its just CORBA with a > bloated 7bit protocol. > > I do however want to point out a few things folks > havent thought about > when they make a blanket statement like "binary > protocols" are > advantagous. > > Its all about education and differing points of view > ;) > > -- > Dave Wolf > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner > http://www.cynergysystems.com > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Office: 866-CYNERGY x85 > > > > On 10/21/05, Dave Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > A few comments. > > > > > > > * Binary transport > > > > > > So is SOAP when you turn on GZIP compression in > your container. And I > > > would argue that binary transmission can be a > bad thing too. What if > > > a firewall used on a corporate environment has > packet filtering turned > > > on. Does that firewall have an AMF filter and > did the firewall admin > > > know what it was? I spent oodles of time working > in CORBA. IIOP is a > > > binary protocol and I cant tell you how often we > bumped intot his > > > issue in a true distributed application. We > actually used to tunnel > > > the IIOP through HTTP a lot to avoid this. > > > > > > > * 50% percent faster then SOAP or Webservice > > > > > > Not true with GZIP turned on. > > > > > > > * Automatic object > serialization/deserialization > > > > > > So does XML web services in Flex. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dave Wolf > > > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > > > Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner > > > http://www.cynergysystems.com > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Office: 866-CYNERGY x85 > > > > > > > > > > > > -abdul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > > Behalf Of Dave Wolf > > > > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:29 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Open source AMF > solutions that work > with flex > > > > > > > > I do want to know why you're prefering AMF > over HTTP or WebService. > > > > > > > > Just curious on the motivation there. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dave Wolf > > > > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > > > > Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner > > > > http://www.cynergysystems.com > > > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Office: 866-CYNERGY x85 > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Clint > Modien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I guess I should specify that they don't > need to be open source at > > > > all they > > > > > could be 3rd party as well. (More than > willing to pay for a > solution) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/21/05, Clint Modien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone get any open source amf solutions > to work with flex? > > > > > > Looking into this due for the most part to > the lack of amf > > > > support in the > > > > > > flex alpha release. I'm also guessing that > this is what MM will > > > > release as > > > > > > the non enterprise version of flex. So I'm > looking for > alternatives > > > > to > > > > > > webservices and httpservices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Flexcoders Mailing List > > > > FAQ: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt > > > > Search Archives: > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! 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