Re: [flexcoders] Re: Question to Adobe about Flex Framework 1.5 Code Quality

[Maxym]

I had no possibility to reply, cause it was weekend, sorry.   Your last post was child-like, but i'll try to take it seriously for a moment, cause someone can read this and think that it makes sense.   1. When you will have a possibility to compile AS code into swf using AS, when you will have AppDomains in AS, when you will have WMI (or smthn like that) etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. , when you will have flex framework embeded into flash player (22.4 M it's not only runtime) THAN YOU WILL COMPARE WEIGHT OF FLASH PLAYER AND .NET FRAMEWORK. It's NOT about technologie it's about event model. We don't need another .NET we have one allready. 2. We have allready untiped functors in flash. C# delegate it's only strong-typed functor. If you think that embeding this kind of functors into flash player takes a lot of weight you are wrong. 3. If you can't take things in general i'll show you  small example why current event model is bad designed. Imagine that you have some tree of objects (non visual). you want to use bubbling, capturing etc. in this tree( i can show you wide range of tasks when it usefull in non visual objects). Now we have no possibility to do that. But for such task some simple interface like     interface IChildDispatcher extends IEventDispatcher { public function get parent() : IEventDispatcher;//or it can returns IChildDispatcher if you like } is enough. Of course we can create such interface, then rewrite EventDispatcher then use bubbling etc. but FOR WHAT?? What do you thin about this ex.?   On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:06:32 +0300, Ted Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:     I have more than looked at C#, I have written several Flash/Flex backends in it.     It comes down to this simple undisputable fact:     .NET 2.0 Runtime == 22.4 MB (20 times larger than Flash)     Java 1.5 Runtime == 16.0 MB (14 times larger than Flash)     Flash Player 8.5 Runtime == 1.12 MB     Flash and Flex have always targeted a small, lean, no frills runtime so that the player is easily deployed to end users. It is this file size that enables the player to be distributed to 700 Million end users cross platform and cross device. Given the size constraints the teams are focused on providing the smallest footprint for player code with the largest impact for developers.     Maxym, there is nothing stopping you from writing your own event system in Flex similar to C#.     - FLEX IS FREE – Flex Framework and Compilers are Free   HYPERLINK "http://labs.macromedia.com/technologies/flexframework2/"http://labs.macromedia.com/technologies/flexframework2/     - You can code your own event model into a class and have it work closer to what C# offers.     Actually when you are done, post your source so that we can give it a fair and honest review!     Regards,     Cynergy Systems, Inc. Theodore Patrick Sr. Consultant HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: 1.866.CYNERGY HYPERLINK "http://www.cynergysystems.com/"http://www.cynergysystems.com          _____   From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxym Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:08 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: Question to Adobe about Flex Framework 1.5 Code Quality       Actually it is hard to imagine that events could get much better than the current design. It is extensible, customizable, fast, easy to work with, and essentially lean and mean.   If it’s hard for you just take a look at C#.   ________________________________________ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxym Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:42 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: Question to Adobe about Flex Framework 1.5 Code Quality   Yeah, I can. DOM Specification: The first goal is the design of an event system which allows registration of event listeners and describes event flow through a tree structure. TREE STRUCTURE. So can you explain me why Timer extends EventDispatcher. Can you imagine TREE STRUCTURE of Timers??? For real there are many bad things in this event model: 1. It's based on string identifiers. Because of this a. It's slow b. You don't know for real types of events that object can dispatch. c. You can't use code-inside in editor for access events. 2. EventDispatcher and IEventDispatcher have too much extra functionality that will be used only for visual objects. 3. If you want to dispatch events and you can't extend EventDispatcher you have to duplicate (do you know some AOP concepts) it's logic (at least one time) and implement IEventDispatcher. 4. I can say more but I'm tired of typing...   ________________________________________ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darron J. Schall Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:46 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Question to Adobe about Flex Framework 1.5 Code Quality   maxym.hryniv wrote: Looking at Flex 2 framework event model, and Flex 2 Framework UML (Flex 2 api visual reference by Rocket Boots) I don't believe that Flex 2 is better.   Can you be more specific?  The event model is fundamentally part of the player is an based on the DOM Level 3 Events specification [1].   -d   [1] HYPERLINK "http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/"http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/         -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: HYPERLINK "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/ flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: HYPERLINK "http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com"http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com     ________________________________________ YAHOO! 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