Dave, I fully realize the potential of Flex to let you crank out an application quickly. You have a "Team" of people this is a requirement for "one" contractor. The thing that got me was the “rollout” part of the demand.

 

I agree that when you fully understand the domain of the intended “user” of the product then yes that is quite possible. Having no idea of the user base, and their goals, infrastructure, budgets, requirements, and resources, how is this assumption possible?

 

Cranking out a product that fit’s someone’s specifications, and creating a tool that is goal/task oriented, and helps the “user” accomplish what they need/want in a coherent fashion, are 2 different things.

 

A certain percentage of the time required before any code is written is spent interviewing management, users, understanding the goals and tasks that a product needs to fulfill.

 

A software program should not be something that enforces a work method, and because the person usually in charge of writing specs is IT (more often then not, that person has not done the necessary foot work). What I mean is, you end up with a product that just fills a business need from a management perspective, and does not take into account segmented departmental user goals.

 

So, sure cranking out data entry forms, or lists of data that fulfill a business “need” is rapid. However, is that a solution that will help the user do their job? Will that solution allow different user types (commercial, management, technical, administrative) to fulfill their role in the organization as efficiently as possible? Will the program have a memory for example so it can make assumptions based on past user interaction?

 

I don’t believe in creating a tool that “only” fulfils the business requirements from a management perspective. The users know how to do their job. I would rather take the time to confirm that the product will meet their goals and tasks, and give them a product that helps them do it better based on “real” information. Management rarely understands this. Software has become a necessary evil that enforces uneducated assumptions on the user, instead of a pleasant, and comfortable tool that “helps” a user do their job.

 

So while you may be able to do this in 6 months rollout, and all. I don’t believe one person can do this “correctly” in 6 months. Now of course that all depends on the size of the application, of which we have no idea.
 
Prototypes in weeks? Whole business in 6 months? It takes weeks just to get through the interview process, identify roles, identify goals for each role, tasks for each goal, and confirming this research.
 
Your internal processes, and goals are apparently quite different then mine.

Jason Hawryluk
 
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Off topic I guess, but six months for a prototype?  We've been rolling
out pretty major applications in Flex from soup to nuts in six months.

To me all the sex appeal aside, some of the biggest value in Flex is
what a productive canvas it is to work within.  Between Flex, great
devs, good tools and frameworks, we're cranking out applications
people are then running a whole business on in under six months.
Prototypes.... we're talking weeks. 

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Dave Wolf
Cynergy Systems, Inc.
Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner
http://www.cynergysystems.com

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--- In [email protected], "Jason Hawryluk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sorry if this sounds harsh, or like a rant...
>
>
>
> You know I think about this kind of thing, and always wonder who in
their
> right mind consultant, or not would sign on to an already "presumed"
6 month
> project. Unless they have really done their homework (unlikely) how
do they
> know that 6 months is enough.
>
>
>
> So what they really should say is your going to develop this miracle
> product, and oh it must be done in 6 months. Ready to deploy. Then they
> plunk the old "needed ASAP" onto that.
>
>
>
> I smell disaster about to happen.
>
>
>
> If you read it it says prototype, ok that makes sense 6months for a
> prototype no problem. Then the next phrase has "rollout"?. Then the big
> hook. "Since client has already defined design specs".
>
>
>
> So to summarize they have a demand for a report generator
"prototype" that
> will be "rolled" out "live" in "6months" based on the "clients specs"
> authored by an individual that most likely has no knowledge of Flex
at all.
>
>
>
> I don't mean to be a pain but, could you please repeat the question?
>
>
>
> I just don't get it. Maybe it's just me. :)
>
> Jason
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> part de wessam_jad
>   Envoyé : mardi 11 avril 2006 20:01
>   À : [email protected]
>   Objet : [flexcoders] **JOB **Flex developer needed ASAP (Contract to
> hire!!).
>
>
>
>
>   Position Needed: Flex Developer
>   Duration:6 months contract to hire.
>
>   Role Description – Consultant will be responsible for creating a new
>   reporting interface prototype using Macromedia Flex. Prototype will
>   most likely be developed using Flex 1.5. Subsequent versions could
>   be developed in Flex 2.0. Consultant will be responsible for
>   upgrade, replication, and rollout. Consultant will also participate
>   in daily knowledge transfer sessions. Since client has already
>   defined design specs, consultant is generally expected to complete
>   assigned development tasks.
>
>   Desired Skills:
>   -6 months Macromedia Flex 1.5 / 2.0 development experience
>   -data warehouse, business intelligence experience
>   -Excellent communication skills
>
>   send your resume ASAP to wjad(at)esginc(dot)com
>   www.esginc.com
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