I believe M$ did a lot to this industry ( I'm not even a .net programmer ) in terms of innovation and software development and at this moment Adobe(Macromedia) still have to grow to be at that level. I'm not saying Flex is not a great product, just can't say Flex is best when still need workarounds for a lot of things. BTW, some workarounds are presented as "patterns" or "features", look no further than "singleton" pattern.
Flex has great potential, but it will be interesting to see if Adobe will be able to create a great product. Historically speaking, JRun is/was a decent product but never GREAT....Hope Flex will became a GREAT product along other products. In case Flex will the ONLY GREAT product, then we''ll see Adobe acting as M$ does now ( remember Flex pricing scheme). I'm done with this posting and hope that flexcodders won't be offended in anyway, it wasn't my intention.
Best regards,
Valy
Robert Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Okay Valy, let's end it here...I did not start the commentary.
The response was from a message to someone asking if Adobe is a reasonable business partner -- a pretty serious accusation and there's plenty of room for response to this accusation; and that's all.
Although I agree commentary should not be going on a lot, that was a serious implying sort of suggestion -- that they are not, when in fact Adobe and the Macromedia developers are great business partners. I've been involved in Flash since 1997 so I have a lot of history here.
Microsoft is not a reasonble business partner and that's the only thing I added, and mark my words they intend to use DirectX and Direct3D (something I myself programmed in the past) and Sparkle to minimize Flash. And then have a viewer on the Macintosh. Why all this? Because FLEX 2.0 is very powerful at Applications.
I've seen evidence of this regarding Lotus Notes that I don't even think Ray Ozzie who is there now has seen, and words perhaps like "kill the enemy" and "club them over the head with the Windows desktop" are words that you should think about -- I'm not saying anything beyond that, but I know how they compete and I've done my research.
And if you don't know about the upcoming battle re: Sparkle and MS's plan to at the very least minimize Flash as a true cross-platform client server solution on to of the very same Java they were proven to have licensed and then hacked [and those are very deceitful motives], then you should read up my friend and not continue your own commentary when the issue was already answered.
I did not start it. Maybe you can stop it and relax a little....read a little about the issues that will be coming up....and they will....and I'm sure you know I'm rooting for Adobe. They are everything MS is not -- look at the inability of MS to come out with even the least Graphics program; or the way graphcs are dealt with in Word Sad. Finally we have a great competitor in the market who's not guilty of breaking the law.
Uh...kind regards...and consider perhaps my eyes have seen things yours have not...then go back to the guy who asked the question. Any further commentary is your own and would be frankly hypocr.
-r
Valy Sivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Is this kind of message adding any value to the flexcoders comunity? I don't think so. I think that this forum should stay focused on Flex core issues and let time speak about how successfull is Flex vs.others or how much better is Adobe vs.other software vendors.
Kind regards,
Valy
Robert Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:You guys at ADOBE are doing great and are going far above what many organizations will do. And most of all YOU CAN BE TRUSTED.
Anyone (like this guy) who complains about support in a Beta should have a little more patience. By the way, you may want to make sure he doesn't have an alias named "Steve Barkto" (Google "Steve Barkto Incident" :-)
Plus, everyone is into FLEX 2.0 and it's spreading fast -- I'm an unofficial "evangelist" for Flash --- and for 4th of July, I'm going to warn everyone of the dangers of trusting sparklers too close to their eyes -- WARNING, WARNING only works on Dindows full of security holes...use Java FLASHERS they're cooler and they got an infusion of $20 Million from a lawbreaker...his name is...well I mentioned him above.
Just sit back and watch the FLEX 2.0 show and build a long-term solution with a Partner that CAN BE TRUSTED client and server. I'm finally excited about development again.
I'm 38; CS maj. lots of experience with Mick Softy (again that gangster guy) and I'd say the next 10 years of the development part of my life are dedicated to helping Adobe win the upcoming "War for the Desktop [mobile top]".
As Dvorak said "They're now an Albatross". Ha, that was my nick name in track and field when I ran an 8:52 2 mile and broke a 17 year old freshman record. But I don't think Dvorak was complimenting the gangster who's getting old and will soon face his creator.
I loved seeing Bono on Conan kind of avoiding any real association with Mick Softy. Bono has been at it for years, the nerd steps up and gives so little relatively and in such short notice (good for Africa, but as Jesus said "This women [who gave 2 cents] gave more than all of you because she gave all she had).
Sparkles fade away slowly; But Flashes leave an image.
Truth be told, I plan on releasing a lot more truth should it be allowed.
And I have much more public information besides that.
I've already been threatened personally and dangerously, I have nothing to lose by putting out the truth. Softy is going down and money can't buy you love -- well it bought you something...and it'll be cashed in soon enough by time.
-r
Matt Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Update: weâve worked with Jim off-list to resolve his issues.
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