Flex development *is* like traditional development. The richness of
the
user experience and the wonder that you can deliver in terms of
creativity
does not open the door to chaos in the development process.
Just because
historically people feel Flash development was "cowboy"
doesnt mean that Flex
development has to assume that role. Our
clients range from little startups
to the second largest retail bank
in the nation. Cowboy is not an
option.
We may have an innovative approach to the development process,
one
which borders on some more bleeding edge ideals (say Agile),
however
the dicipline in the development process is the same. From our
model
and design sessions, to cases in the issue management system,
to
strict use of source control, automated builds and deploys, unit
tests
etc. That's how great software is written regardless of the
technology.
We are passionate about the richness of the user experience.
You will
see it in the amazing UI's our folks are building and in our people.
We are also passionate about the development process.
This thread
started by talking about modelling tools and how
applicable they are to flex.
I dont think that your choice of HOW you
develop software has any impact on
WHAT you are developing, and
modelling is all about WHAT.
--
Dave
Wolf
Cynergy Systems, Inc.
Adobe Flex Alliance Partner
http://www.cynergysystems.com
http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs
Email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]stems.com
Office:
866-CYNERGY
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com,
"Joost Nuijten" <flexcoders@...> wrote:
>
> Sometimes I
wish Flex development was more like traditional application
> development.
At the other hand I shiver at the thought that the
coolness of
> Flex
is degraded to this way of working. Flex = Flash. And Flash
is
supposed
> to be a creative chaos, cool, far away of the boreness of
the IT
world and
> full of passion. That is how it's supposed to
be.
>
> But it really depends on your kind of business...
>
> ~joost
>
> _____
>
> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com]
Namens
>
Thomas Rühl -akitogo-
> Verzonden: maandag 7 augustus 2006 9:59
>
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
>
Onderwerp: Re: [flexcoders] Re: [Flex2] What do you use for modelling a
>
Flex2 application...?
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
for your interest so far... but this isn't really the
direction I
>
intended to point out.
>
> Dave, I know that the documentation and
modelling process basically
> doesn't depend on HOW an application is
written. I'm not trying from
> model to generated code, although it would
be really neat to do so in
> some cases ;)
>
> My concern is
to evolve a process, starting with modelling an
> application the "good
old" way using software architecture
> possibilities. This not only helps
me to evaluate and improve an
> application, in fact it is also important
for me regarding
documentation
> and maintenance processes.
>
> Again, I do not necessarily want to generate the code based on a UML or
> other kind of diagrams, my interest targets the development process
> before actual implementation starts.
>
> As I said, for
the Java world, there are lots of tools which we are
> missing for Flex
at the moment. Problem being, these tools are mostly
> Java specific (for
which I think they shouldn't), since they DO want to
> generate code out
of the model. And this is the reason I am interested
> in how other folks
do the modeling.
>
> Cheers, Thomas
>
>
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>
> Thomas
Rühl
> Design, Programming & Concepts
>
> akitogo
OHG
> Hanauer Landstrasse 188
> 60314 Frankfurt
>
>
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>
>
Jason wrote:
> >
> > There are several AS2 model2code
generators such as:
> > http://www.darronsc
> <http://www.darronschall.com/weblog/archives/000174.cfm>
>
hall.com/weblog/archives/000174.cfm
> > <http://www.darronsc
> <http://www.darronschall.com/weblog/archives/000174.cfm>
>
hall.com/weblog/archives/000174.cfm>
> > http://www.codeallo <http://www.codealloy.com/umlconverter.htm>
>
y.com/umlconverter.htm
> > <http://www.codeallo <http://www.codealloy.com/umlconverter.htm>
>
y.com/umlconverter.htm>
> > and some others I can't remember
right now.
> >
> > It will just be a matter of time untill
someone updates one of the
> > projects for AS3, and ideally for
Cairngorm.
> > I poked around on sourceforge, but did not see an
started project.
> >
> > Darron Schall my be willing to
provide his source as a starting point
> > for anyone looking to pick
up the project -- it looks like he has a
> > SVN repository set for the
source.
> >
> > --jason
> >
> > --- In
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ups.com
> >
<mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, "Joost Nuijten"
>
> <flexcoders@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think
what Thomas is trying to say:
> > >
> > > In the Java
world there are a lot of powerful tools that generate
> > the
base
> > > skeleton of code out of a model. For the Flex world this
is all hand
> > work.
> > > And how do we cope with
this?
> > >
> > > That is why it is important that we
have a framework such as
> > Cairngorm. The
> > > one thing
that we do not have is an automated tool that
generates the
> > >
Cairngorm base skeleton.
> > >
> > > ** thinking about
creating one myself **
> > >
> > > Joost
> >
>
> > > _____
> > >
> > > Van:
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> >
<mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogro
<mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>
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>
<mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>]
> >
Namens
> > > Dave Wolf
> > > Verzonden: maandag 7
augustus 2006 2:33
> > > Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
<mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
Onderwerp: [flexcoders] Re: [Flex2] What do you use for modelling a
> >
Flex2
> > > application...?
> > >
> >
>
> > >
> > > Why does the implementation language
(the HOW) have anything
> > > significant to do with the modelling
and documentation solution you
> > > use (the WHAT) ?
> >
>
> > > Are you trying to go from model to generated
code?
> > >
> > > If modelling is important to your
development process, tried and
> > > trusted modelling solutions
such as UML would be capable of
> > > documenting and managing the
WHAT side of the development process
> > > regardless of the
implementation HOW language.
> > >
> > > --
> >
> Dave Wolf
> > > Cynergy Systems, Inc.
> > > Adobe
Flex Alliance Partner
> > > http://www.cynergys <http://www.cynergys
<http://www.cynergysystems.com>
>
ystems.com
> > <http://www.cynergys <http://www.cynergysystems.com>
ystems.com>>
> ystems.com
> > > http://www.cynergys <http://www.cynergys
> <http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs>
ystems.com/blogs
> > <http://www.cynergys <http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs>
>
ystems.com/blogs>>
> > ystems.com/blogs
> >
>
> > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >
stems.com
> > > Office: 866-CYNERGY
> > >
> >
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
ups.com,
> > > Thomas R�hl -akitogo-
> > >
<thomas.ruehl@> wrote:
> > > >
> > >
>
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
> > >
> it's been a while now, since the Flex2 SDK is out and rockin' ;)
>
> > >
> > > > Not only for larger projects, multiple
teams or team members and
> > > > documentation purpose, I'd like
to know, what everyone is
using for
> > > > modelling a Flex
application. For the Java world I know, the tools
> > > >
available are very powerful and work very well out of the box and
> >
> > integrate with each other. There are also things like
OmondoUML,
> > which
> > > > we can be used for
designing Java apps (doing use case and
sequential
> > > >
diagram sort of stuff) in conjunction with creating the
> > >
corresponding code.
> > > >
> > > > The lack of
Flex-specific tools for that kind of work still leads
> > > >
towards endless times spent on the drawing table - at least on my
> >
side..
> > > >
> > > > So, the question coming up
my mind is, in what ways do you all
design
> > > > your Flex
applications before/during or after implementation, if
> >
any....?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
Cheers, Thomas
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> ------------------------------------
> > >
>
> > > > Thomas R�hl
> > > > Design,
Programming & Concepts
> > > >
> > > > akitogo
OHG
> > > > Hanauer Landstrasse 188
> > > > 60314
Frankfurt
> > > >
> > > > Telefon +49 (0) 69 800
69 445
> > > > Fax +49 (0) 69 800 69 449
> > > >
Mobil +49 (0) 179 750 75 87
> > > > E-Mail thomas.ruehl@
>
> > > Web http://www.akitogo. <http://www.akitogo.
<http://www.akitogo.com>
> com
> > <http://www.akitogo. <http://www.akitogo.com> com>>
com
> > > >
> > > >
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