Also Kevin, I think you might have mis-interpreted by what I meant by "I will
only use Microsoft products on the server".
To clarify, I did not mean I will only choose MS server products on the server,
but that, of all of Microsoft technologies there are, the only ones I will use,
are on the Server.
I am completely ditching Windows Vista and any support or any use of Microsoft
software, I'm only going to use Mac OSX, and will continue to support customers
that I've developed solutions for Windows for, only for the Windows Server
platform, not for any client side technology whatsoever.
I do not intend to make the mistakes I have in the past - ever - the cannot be
trusted period. But my risk is minimal by supporting a Server technology if I
have to or if the customer wants it. If they want Silverlight, I'll tell them
why they shouldn't be using Silverlight or even using Windows for that matter
as their personal computer...until the day I die, I'll testify to that.
-r
Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ive never been an advocate to either side of the debate, but dont you think
youre being quite hypocritical in saying that the client aspect of Microsoft
is evil, but that you still actively use the server products?
If youre looking for a reason to not go with Silverlight, than go on the
tried and true backup that no matter what Microsoft says, it will never be as
flexible and well adopted as Flash already is. Adobe has the client market
covered between Acrobat and Flash, so I wont be losing any sleep anytime soon.
!k
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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Robert Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:50 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's
Legal Record)
Here is a big reason why NOT to go with Silver-Light:
I am Robert D. Thompson.
Here is Federally Published public record of something,
http://www.fedcirc.us/case-reviews/thompson-v.-microsoft-corporation-4.html
I will not discuss the above public record, but will discuss why I believe it
would be Historically of poor judgment to trust Microsoft with a Client side
technology, including it's lost to SUN Microsystems for licensing and then
hacking it's client-side technology, and other cases such as Stac Electronics.
Steven Ballmer went to Country Day Prep academy here in my homestate of
Michigan and I know several people there through individuals I've known through
Track and Field and running in the Junior (high-school level) TAC national
championship team with through regionals. I've also had an attorney who has
gone to that same school at the same time as Steven Ballmer.
- OpenGL is standard, Microsoft will force DirectX even though it's losing
ground to OpenGL among the vendors. It will find ways to tie into the API and
hack things up like they did in the SUN MICROSYSTEMS's Java Hack - can you
imagine; these people at Microsoft actually licensed Sun's Java and got the
source code to it and hacked it up so it wouldn't run on Windows IE well
without bugs. Even Rick Segal has posted comments after being quietly
abandoned by Microsoft after the "Steve Barkto Incident" (google that) as
saying that Microsoft hi-jacked the efforts of both Apple's QuickTime and Blue
Mountain software through unethical methods and when the court asked for source
code record, Microsoft said it was not available and Segal argued this was
ridiculous (google "Blue Mountain v Microsoft". I talk about State Attorney
generals who have had much harsher things to say about MS than anyone on my
site www.ActiveCommunity.com
- Microsoft is losing ground to Apple, to OpenGL (look into Papervision 3D,
it's amazing and can run on ALL PLATFORMS; MS will limit other platforms to a
viewer only and it's been buggy as far as I've heard).
- I am a .NET Programmer who specializes in using ActionScript 3.0 and
integrating it with SQL Server 2005 using stored procedures. I will only use
Microsoft products on the server because, (a) I still like the server but will
never invest in trusting Microsoft for ANY Client end software as they will
betray you in the end; don't do it, you will lose to them if you trust them,
(b) I have found a Gold Certified Microsoft provider who, in contrast to
Microsoft, keeps their integrity intact.
Use what Microsoft has to offer, but if you are to deploy anything that will
be distributed on a client end -- I can ensure you that your efforts should
consider the legal record of Microsoft that involves, Patent Theft (Stac
Electronics), Bad-Faith hacking of licensed code (SUN Micrososystems),
Bad-Faith Funding of anything that will pull down competitors (see Funding and
Astroturf campaigns and research the SCO v IBM legal history).
You've been forwarned; DO NOT TRUST MICROSOFT *EVER* on the Client side, or
you will lose your intellectual property and your initiative if you can ever
believe the constant truth that "He who ignores History is bound to repeat the
Mistakes of the past".
-r
"Merrill, Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here is a lot written by Jesse Warden on Silverlight from his Flash/Flex
perspective: http://jessewarden.com/category/silverlight
Also, here is a list I compiled last summer after speaking with a Silverlight
engineer. Some things in Silverlight may have changed since then, hope this
helps some.
Pros
Integrates very very well with .NET/Visual Studio
Programming in C#, VisualBasic, Javascript, Python, or Ruby - CLR (Common
Language Runtime)
Easier for .NET developers to start developing for than Flash
Microsoft deep-pocket backing and product integration
All code remains external, no republishing after coded update like you do with
Flash
Runs on Mac OSX, Windows XP and Vista
Cons
Requires programming in C#, Javascript (inconsistent across browsers),
VisualBasic, Python, or Ruby
Not geared towards multimedia artists, learning community
Not supported or pushed by the bank, virtually no market penetration outside
the bank
Not a mature product, not market-tested
Does not integrated with Adobe's creative design tools
Is not currently supported on Cell phones and several PDAs
Does not support Flash media (.swf or .flv) i.e. Captivate or Articulate
Visual experiences demo'ed so far are not nearly as impressive as Flash
Silverlight is geared more towards RIA development, so it's more of a Flex
competitor than standard Flash
Does not run on older Mac OS, Linux and older versions of Windows
Does not support alpha channel video
CD and local drive Silverlight runtime not available as publishing option
Expression Designer, Expression Blend used to design Siliverlight applications
are immature tools and lack many features compared to CS3 products
Not as easy to develop for those who are not familiar with .NET, or Javascript
Flash video is primary format of major video sites like YouTube and Google
Video, not Microsoft WMV
Unfamiliar design environment for Flash developers to migrate to
Does not immediately stream - requires XAML to parse first.
Some Flash developers say Siliverlight has 80% fewer features than Flash.
While this number may be inaccurate, a Silverlight rep did confirm Silverlight
has fewer features than Flash runtime.
No free opensource development options
No 3D possible (Flash has Papervision or Sandy 3d and other Opensource 3D
Libraries available)
No deep-linking possible yet
h.264 Video support
Javascript only development right now - (all Visual Studio languages coming
soon)
Jason Merrill
Bank of America
GT&O L&LD Solutions Design & Development
eTools & Multimedia
Bank of America Flash Platform Developer Community
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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nate
Pearson
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:41 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight!
I'm a flex developer who just joined a .NET development group. We
make internal apps but are going to grow our group and have an
e-commerce subset.
Everyone on my team has seen my flex apps and they understand the
power. BUT, they want to do a formal review of Flex vs Silverlight
before we buy a bunch of adobe software and go down that path.
Included in the debate is Photoshop vs Expressions (I know I know).
Although I love .NET for the back end I think that flex should be used
for our RIA solutions.
I was hoping that the fine hard working folks at Adobe already have a
document that clearly lays out the advantages of Flex over
Silverlight. If so, I would greatly appreciate it being sent to me.
Here are some things that people are concerned about.
Sharepoint integration (this is a big #1)
SEO
Workflow updates (designer/developer)
Is licensing available?
Flash player 9 adoption
Although I know the answers to most of these questions I think any
document from Adobe would say it better than I could.
My boss is flying to Redmond this afternoon for a meeting with
Microsoft. Although it's not about Silverlight he is going to ask
them about it and I'm sure they will try to give him some kool-aid.
I'm making a Flex introduction presentation for developers today for a
meeting on Thursday. So speed on this request is greatly appreciated.
Thanks so much, please save me from programing in silver light and
expressions for the next 5 years.
-Nate
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