A perfectly valid reason to avoid Silverlight is that it's Windows-only. A lot of UI developers / graphic designers are Mac guys.
-J On Feb 13, 2008 7:42 AM, Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fair enough. I appreciate the explanation and though I think you might > be fighting a losing battle trying to get people to ditch Windows as their > desktop, I respect the fact that you're willing to do it anyhow. =] > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kevin > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Robert Thompson > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:17 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! > (Microsoft's Legal Record) > > > > Also Kevin, I think you might have mis-interpreted by what I meant by "I > will only use Microsoft products on the server". > > To clarify, I did not mean I will only choose MS server products on the > server, but that, of all of Microsoft technologies there are, the only ones > I will use, are on the Server. > > I am completely ditching Windows Vista and any support or any use of > Microsoft software, I'm only going to use Mac OSX, and will continue to > support customers that I've developed solutions for Windows for, only for > the Windows Server platform, not for any client side technology whatsoever. > > I do not intend to make the mistakes I have in the past - ever - the > cannot be trusted period. But my risk is minimal by supporting a Server > technology if I have to or if the customer wants it. If they want > Silverlight, I'll tell them why they shouldn't be using Silverlight or even > using Windows for that matter as their personal computer...until the day I > die, I'll testify to that. > > -r > > > *Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > I've never been an advocate to either side of the debate, but don't you > think you're being quite hypocritical in saying that the client aspect of > Microsoft is evil, but that you still actively use the server products? > > > > If you're looking for a reason to not go with Silverlight, than go on the > tried and true backup that no matter what Microsoft says, it will never be > as flexible and well adopted as Flash already is. Adobe has the client > market covered between Acrobat and Flash, so I won't be losing any sleep > anytime soon. > > > > !k > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Robert Thompson > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:50 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! > (Microsoft's Legal Record) > > > > Here is a big reason why NOT to go with Silver-Light: > > I am Robert D. Thompson. > > Here is Federally Published public record of something, > > > http://www.fedcirc.us/case-reviews/thompson-v.-microsoft-corporation-4.html > > I will not discuss the above public record, but will discuss why I believe > it would be Historically of poor judgment to trust Microsoft with a Client > side technology, including it's lost to SUN Microsystems for licensing and > then hacking it's client-side technology, and other cases such as Stac > Electronics. > > Steven Ballmer went to Country Day Prep academy here in my homestate of > Michigan and I know several people there through individuals I've known > through Track and Field and running in the Junior (high-school level) TAC > national championship team with through regionals. I've also had an > attorney who has gone to that same school at the same time as Steven > Ballmer. > > - OpenGL is standard, Microsoft will force DirectX even though it's losing > ground to OpenGL among the vendors. It will find ways to tie into the API > and hack things up like they did in the SUN MICROSYSTEMS's Java Hack - can > you imagine; these people at Microsoft actually licensed Sun's Java and got > the source code to it and hacked it up so it wouldn't run on Windows IE well > without bugs. Even Rick Segal has posted comments after being quietly > abandoned by Microsoft after the "Steve Barkto Incident" (google that) as > saying that Microsoft hi-jacked the efforts of both Apple's QuickTime and > Blue Mountain software through unethical methods and when the court asked > for source code record, Microsoft said it was not available and Segal argued > this was ridiculous (google "Blue Mountain v Microsoft". I talk about State > Attorney generals who have had much harsher things to say about MS than > anyone on my site www.ActiveCommunity.com > > - Microsoft is losing ground to Apple, to OpenGL (look into Papervision > 3D, it's amazing and can run on ALL PLATFORMS; MS will limit other platforms > to a viewer only and it's been buggy as far as I've heard). > > - I am a .NET Programmer who specializes in using ActionScript 3.0 and > integrating it with SQL Server 2005 using stored procedures. I will only > use Microsoft products on the server because, (a) I still like the server > but will never invest in trusting Microsoft for ANY Client end software as > they will betray you in the end; don't do it, you will lose to them if you > trust them, (b) I have found a Gold Certified Microsoft provider who, in > contrast to Microsoft, keeps their integrity intact. > > Use what Microsoft has to offer, but if you are to deploy anything that > will be distributed on a client end -- I can ensure you that your efforts > should consider the legal record of Microsoft that involves, Patent Theft > (Stac Electronics), Bad-Faith hacking of licensed code (SUN Micrososystems), > Bad-Faith Funding of anything that will pull down competitors (see Funding > and Astroturf campaigns and research the SCO v IBM legal history). > > You've been forwarned; DO NOT TRUST MICROSOFT *EVER* on the Client side, > or you will lose your intellectual property and your initiative if you can > ever believe the constant truth that "He who ignores History is bound to > repeat the Mistakes of the past". > > -r > > > *"Merrill, Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > Here is a lot written by Jesse Warden on Silverlight from his Flash/Flex > perspective: http://jessewarden.com/category/silverlight > > > > Also, here is a list I compiled last summer after speaking with a > Silverlight engineer. Some things in Silverlight may have changed since > then, hope this helps some. > > > > *Pros* > Integrates very very well with .NET/Visual Studio > Programming in C#, VisualBasic, Javascript, Python, or Ruby - CLR (Common > Language Runtime) > Easier for .NET developers to start developing for than Flash > Microsoft deep-pocket backing and product integration > All code remains external, no republishing after coded update like you do > with Flash > Runs on Mac OSX, Windows XP and Vista > > > > *Cons* > Requires programming in C#, Javascript (inconsistent across browsers), > VisualBasic, Python, or Ruby > Not geared towards multimedia artists, learning community > Not supported or pushed by the bank, virtually no market penetration > outside the bank > Not a mature product, not market-tested > Does not integrated with Adobe's creative design tools > Is not currently supported on Cell phones and several PDAs > Does not support Flash media (.swf or .flv) i.e. Captivate or Articulate > Visual experiences demo'ed so far are not nearly as impressive as Flash > Silverlight is geared more towards RIA development, so it's more of a Flex > competitor than standard Flash > Does not run on older Mac OS, Linux and older versions of Windows > Does not support alpha channel video > CD and local drive Silverlight runtime not available as publishing option > Expression Designer, Expression Blend used to design Siliverlight > applications are immature tools and lack many features compared to CS3 > products > Not as easy to develop for those who are not familiar with .NET, or > Javascript > Flash video is primary format of major video sites like YouTube and Google > Video, not Microsoft WMV > Unfamiliar design environment for Flash developers to migrate to > Does not immediately stream - requires XAML to parse first. > Some Flash developers say Siliverlight has 80% fewer features than Flash. > While this number may be inaccurate, a Silverlight rep did confirm > Silverlight has fewer features than Flash runtime. > No free opensource development options > No 3D possible (Flash has Papervision or Sandy 3d and other Opensource 3D > Libraries available) > No deep-linking possible yet > h.264 Video support > Javascript only development right now - (all Visual Studio languages > coming soon) > > > > Jason Merrill > *Bank of America * > GT&O L&LD Solutions Design & Development > eTools & Multimedia > > *Bank of America Flash Platform Developer Community* > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Nate Pearson > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:41 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! > > I'm a flex developer who just joined a .NET development group. We > make internal apps but are going to grow our group and have an > e-commerce subset. > > Everyone on my team has seen my flex apps and they understand the > power. BUT, they want to do a formal review of Flex vs Silverlight > before we buy a bunch of adobe software and go down that path. > Included in the debate is Photoshop vs Expressions (I know I know). > > Although I love .NET for the back end I think that flex should be used > for our RIA solutions. > > I was hoping that the fine hard working folks at Adobe already have a > document that clearly lays out the advantages of Flex over > Silverlight. If so, I would greatly appreciate it being sent to me. > > Here are some things that people are concerned about. > > Sharepoint integration (this is a big #1) > SEO > Workflow updates (designer/developer) > Is licensing available? > Flash player 9 adoption > > Although I know the answers to most of these questions I think any > document from Adobe would say it better than I could. > > My boss is flying to Redmond this afternoon for a meeting with > Microsoft. Although it's not about Silverlight he is going to ask > them about it and I'm sure they will try to give him some kool-aid. > > I'm making a Flex introduction presentation for developers today for a > meeting on Thursday. So speed on this request is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks so much, please save me from programing in silver light and > expressions for the next 5 years. > > -Nate > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Never miss a thing. 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