On Monday 27 October 2003 23:41, David Megginson wrote:

> The faster you go, the less you feel the gusts and turbulence.  In a
> slow glider, I imagine that the effects are very pronounced.

The a/c we were in was quite a 'tame' craft and my friend showed me what 
the stall onset was like - at around 30kias you could fell a sort of 
'thrumming' through the a/c  - a very gentle oscillation (sp?) that was 
regular and superimposed, or 'under' the turbulance buffet.  Sign of a 
good training a/c I guess - it was clearly felt even though it was pretty 
bumpy anyway.

> Most disconcerting difference - there was little sense of forward
>  > motion so when in moderate bank it felt more like we were tipping
>  > over rather than turning.  In steeper banks there was a bit of G
>  > and it actually felt a bit more secure.
> 
> If you felt any sideways pull, then the turns were not coordinated.
> Slipping turns are good ways to lose altitude, and I'd guess that
> soaring pilots use them quite a bit to get down to the field.

Yeah - we were going down at that point but we were banked approx 50-60 
deg (my guess).  Very strange to compare 'theory'against practice:)

> 
>  > Approach and landing was not what I'd expect either - stick out the
>  > airbrakes while still several hundred feet in the air and then dive
>  > down to the ground, level off and flair.
> 
> Sadly, there are powered-plane pilots who try to do the same thing,
> even through flaps aren't exactly air brakes.

It was from FlightGear that I was surprised at the approach. No, it's not 
the sort of thing you would do in a powered a/c.  I wonder how much of 
this might be due to the all-up weight vs. lift ratios between a glider 
and a powered aircraft.  The speed-brakes were perfectly balanced - I 
didn't detect any appreciable trim change - very impressive:)

We watched a couple of the instructors checking each other out, flying 
close to the stall, practicing, into the wind.  With 20+ kts wind across 
the field (the 15kt windsocks were horizontal most of the day) and 
typical stall speeds of ~ 30 kts, they were making barely 10kts ground 
speed:)

They were doing some spins too:)

> 
>  > Sorry this is OT but there isn't anyone else who'd really
>  > understand.
> 
> On the contrary, it was an excellent posting.

It was an excellent experience:)

LeeE
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> 
> David
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