On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 03:40:54AM -0500, Alan King wrote:
>  >time. Just show those (mostly ignorant) MSFS crowds what flightgear can
>  >do :-)
> 
>    Just joined the list myself and this was one of only a few main 
> reasons.  I was drawing up homemade control system hardware this afternoon.

Welcome Alan :)
You showed up just at the right time. The hardware building thread
started just a couple of days ago... :-)

>    I think I have the rudder pedals down to the bare minimum for correct 
> control, linear rudder and proportional toe brakes but only using 2 
> drawer slides for minimum cost and only drilled holes for easy assembly, 
> no slots in a bellcrank etc.  Yoke is just a sloped cabinet with a 
> drawer slide underneath, two bearings mounted on this with a threaded 

drawer slides are pretty interesting for cockpit building. 
We used them for our XYZ table. http://cockpit.varxec.de/tools/
You can find them in any good home improvement store (or at home if you
wanna get rid of some old funiture ;)

> rod running through with the yoke.  Fixed to the rod is an angle 
> bracket, 2.5" out then several over, with an optical mouse attached. 
> Sectioned 4" pipe fixed concentric to the rod with a pattern attached to 
> the outside.  With 2" in and out travel and 120 deg for roll it should 

the 120 deg, is that 60 in each direction, or 120 in each dir ?
My yoke (747 style) has 180 deg total, so 90 in each dir. I have a
several minutes long cockpit video from the net of a LH 747-400 where
you can see the flightcontrols check. There the yoke went from -90 to
+90 deg.

> give about 4" by 4" mouse travel around the pipe, for 1600 points total 
> resolution on each axis, scaled down to reasonable for output.  $10 
> optical mouse is the only part not absolute minimum cost, but with high 
> res and all optical and a wheel to relocate for other use I think it's 
> an ok trade off.  Throttle and the rest are no real problem after that.

Do you use that "mouse" as the primary mouse for fgfs for "mouse yoke mode"
(what you get when you right click once in fgfs) or did you write a
joystick driver for it ?
The nice thing about using the mouse is, that the resolution is much
better than with a potentiometer. 

>    Will have a port to hook in my RC transmitter and multiple output 
> formats, so I can fly either RC trans or yoke/pedals for Flightgear or 
> FMS.  Also since I need a slope cabinet for the yoke anyway, turn it 
> around and the back side will be a dual joystick MAME controller for two 
> players or dual joystick for Robotron 2084 etc.  Trying to make it all 
> in one so I only have ONE extra controller to have laying around!  :)
> 
>    Should come in under $50-$60 for just the yoke/pedals part, I do PICs 
> as well so that part's easy.  The $200ish for the CH stuff really isn't 
> that bad, but I'm going to make some for a couple friends as well.  I'd 
> rather have something that feels rock solid over a plastic game 
> controller for myself anyway.  Plus I can put it on the net and then 

Do you have any pics of your setup on the web yet ?

> anyone can go to the hardware store and then build their own cheap good 
> flight controls.


Regards,
Manuel

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