Lee,

> Sent: 13 March 2008 01:58
> 
> On Wednesday 12 March 2008 08:26, Vivian Meazza wrote:
> > LeeE wrote
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > Sent: 11 March 2008 23:19
> > > To: FlightGear developers discussions
> > > Subject: [Flightgear-devel] New problem with submodels
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > For a long time now I've been using ballistic submodels for
> > > trajectory markers.
> > >
> > > When using the trajectory markers, a simple inverted 'T' two
> > > line object is created at the aircraft position once per
> > > second, aligned with the aircraft roll and pitch axis.  The
> > > submodels have no weight, 0 buoyancy and are unaffected by
> > > wind, so once created they remain in place and provide a
> > > representation of the aircraft's flight trajectory.
> > >
> > > I just tried using them, having not used them for a while, and
> > > found that about half of the submodel instances are rolling
> > > over and spinning around.
> > >
> > > The problem seems to be random and about 50-50, with no obvious
> > > pattern between instances that behave properly and those that
> > > rotate and spin.
> > >
> > > As they're all created from the same config I'm at a bit of a
> > > loss as to how to fix it.
> > >
> > > I noticed that the README.submodels doc doesn't include a
> > > definition for the <aero-stabilised> tag but it is used in one
> > > of the examples.  I've always used this tag as a bool i.e.
> > > 'true/false', like the <wind> tag, but in the examples the
> > > <aero-stablised> value is '0' whereas the <wind> tag values are
> > > either 'true' or 'false'. Is '0' used in <aero-stabilised> to
> > > represent a bool or is it now a numeric value?
> >
> > In theory nothing has been changed in submodels in a long time,
> > and <aero-stabilised> remains a bool. However I have been making
> > changes in AIBallistic, so the problem probably lies there, and
> > I'm investigating. I can sort of reproduce your bug, but here all
> > the submodels behave in the same way. If they don't then it is
> > possible that you haven't enabled AI Models.
> >
> > Vivian
> 
> Hmm...  I have
> 
> --prop:sim/ai-traffic/enabled=true
> --prop:sim/ai-traffic/level=3
> 
> and
> 
> --disable-random-objects
> 
> in my .fgfsrc but they are the only AI related things I specifically 
> set, and disabling the random objects is probably irrelevant here.
> 
> Actually, I haven't updated from FG cvs since mid February, so this 
> problem dates from before then.  I'm also pretty sure the problem 
> wasn't apparent around early/mid December 2008 because I remember 
> using trajectory markers while I was working on the TFA stuff for 
> the BAC-TSR2 and I sent the resulting update to Curt on 2008-12-17.
> 
> After some more testing last night, I have to revise the ratio of 
> affected instances to ones that show the problem - far more 
> instances _are_ affected than work correctly.  I'd now guess that 
> somewhere around nine out of ten instances are showing this strange 
> behaviour, but there still doesn't appear to be a discernible 
> pattern.
> 
> LeeE
> 

You need  --enable-ai-models. Without this you will see AIBallistic stuff,
but they won't move correctly.

I think there _is_ bug, but not quite the one you describe. If you could
just try again with the correct settings, and let me know what you observe.

V.



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