Both Cm due to pitch rate and Cm due to alpha rate are legitimate.  More
sophisticated models will have both. 

-----Original Message-----
From: flying.toaster [mailto:flying.toas...@voila.fr] 
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:35 AM
To: development issues; flightgear-devel
Subject: Re: [Jsbsim-devel] X-15 issue identified

Regarding the pull up issue, it seems fixed (partially) now. 

My first assumption regarding atmosphere was definitely wrong (even though
the JSBSsim atmosphere feels better now and the FG atmosphere is still wrong
above 60kft).
 I have looked into the Cmalpha values and it was only fixed to a single
value, when the actual value varied with mach number and alpha itself
according to Nasa flight test reports.
 I fixed the table and I could fly the whole profile from Smiths ranch to
Edwards with a 7g pullout with 700KIAS maximum (should be within qbar
limits), and attitude control using rockets in the upper part of the
trajectory.
 My landing was only spoiled by a "Warning:: Picked up error in
TriangleIntersect" error on the console that brought FG to its knees :)

Now I guess I still have to examine closely the rest of derivatives to make
sure it fits. I am particularly annoyed by the aerodynamic coefficient
attached to the pitch rate rather than the alpha rate since pitch is a
geometric (inertial) rather than aerodynamic value.

I have also a hard time understanding why the CMmach ( I understand it is
there to model the shift in aerodynamic center) varies with altitude ... I
guess it is all explained in NASA's reports.

Anyway still got a lot of work to do to make the X-15 release-able, but I
can guarantee it is fun to fly ...




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