On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 16:57:55 +0000, FGD wrote in message <9dfda0650902070857i71aca8cen90b9f19b99d4c...@mail.gmail.com>:
> 2009/2/7 Melchior FRANZ <mfr...@aon.at> > > Not that this has much to do with this thread, or Ian's > > FlightGear problems. > > > Oh I would not worry about it, this thread has been hijacked, dragged > off topic ..when moving off-topic, please change the subject line to help us all sort out what (sub)-thread belongs where. This one sub-thread expands a wee bit on a few things that I'd like to put in a GPL guide for ex-MSFS etc people unfamiliar with the GPL way of copyright law enforcement. > and otherwise generally killed already. > > Obviously starting another thread won't be likely to fair any better, > having seen what's happened here. > > I can't see any way for us to make any useful contribution under > these kinds of circumstance. We're simply interested in making models > and sharing them, ..under which license? As in, url(s) to your license (agreement) text(s)? > but it seems as though that is rather lower on some folks agendas > than it is on ours. ..yes, to me and I gather to the FG developers too, protection of FG copyright under the GPL will remain the very top priority. This means code, patches, models etc with questionable copyright or patent or trademark "issues", must be rejected, regardless of what nice new features it might offer. ..brutal, yes, but not nearly as brutally expensive as being on the receiving end of a copyright infringement verdict and going to jail. ..3'rd party models etc "which works with FG too" for any 4'th party end user are ok, as whether or not it "works with FG too" is irrelevant to FG copyright and the GPL, the GPL only concerns distribution or conveyance of copyrighted work between legal persons, by licensing what is otherwise forbidden by copyright law. ..if such 3'rd party secret model author group or such 4'th party end user never distributes FG or any other copyrighted work bundled or not with their own work, only their own work, e.g. screen shots of their own models in FG, then they are in full compliance with copyright law, by not distributing, and therefore they need no irrelevant GPL etc license. ..their own work, e.g. screen shots of their own models in FG, they are entitled to license and sell etc under whatever license and contracts they damn please. ..problems only rears up when you try bundle FG with "proprietary licensed" or otherwise incompatible-to-the-GPL licenses. ..usage, money and profits are irrelevant to the GPL. Also when you're Kim Jong-il and wanna steer your nukes into carrier decks with FG. > All rather unfortunate that. I can't recommend this as a solution to > the group, ..what group? Weird secrecy replacing common courtesy isn't really helpful in building trust around here. ..and we need a certain minimum amount of trust, to look at other peoples code without fear of allegations of stealing code and copyright litigation. Me, I have lost that trust in Ian and his secret group. > that would be reckless on my part, in view of what I have > learned here today. I have energy to happily spend, and freely so, > but not a jot of it to waste or fritter away. > > Interesting that politics now seems to replace the old config file > these days as a means to prevent the growth of a simulator's content. ..nor is astro-turf style trolling. Until I learn I am wrong about my own suspicion of Ian, I recommend keeping the kind of distance, I keep to Microsoft. ;o) ..to ward off any potential litigation, I hereby paste my own wget (download) action of Ian's "lwo BorgBoxes.zip", and my listing and md5sum'ing of said file, to put into the public record. ..I was lead to believe I was allowed to do the above to help Ian and his secret group find a way to make his|their lwo fileformat useful to FG and wise versa and to finally contribute more than words to FG, Ian's "lwo BorgBoxes.zip" could have used a README, and I hoped to convince Ian and his group to help me sell FG into upgrading our license from GPLv2 to GPLv3. ..it would be good if Ian or his group would confirm we (FG) indeed were allowed to try help out as above, by downloading Ian's "lwo BorgBoxes.zip" to take a look at it and to try make it work with FG. ..I hereby confirm I no longer have any intention to touch Ian's "lwo BorgBoxes.zip" and will keep my copy available for copyright law enforcement pursuant to any court orders and for no other purpose. My paste: a...@a45:/opt/fg-bygg $ wget -c http://www.aeroshop3d.com/Quickstart/DocLib/lwo%20BorgBoxes.zip --2009-02-06 12:11:47-- http://www.aeroshop3d.com/Quickstart/DocLib/lwo%20BorgBoxes.zip Resolving www.aeroshop3d.com... 216.251.43.14 Connecting to www.aeroshop3d.com|216.251.43.14|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 1706 (1.7K) [application/zip] Saving to: `lwo BorgBoxes.zip' 100%[==========================================================================================================================>] 1,706 --.-K/s in 0s 2009-02-06 12:11:48 (75.7 MB/s) - `lwo BorgBoxes.zip' saved [1706/1706] a...@a45:/opt/fg-bygg $ ll lw* && md5sum lw* -rw-r--r-- 1 arnt arnt 1706 Feb 5 01:19 lwo BorgBoxes.zip 27a628b01b5756d1033cf892adecda7b lwo BorgBoxes.zip a...@a45:/opt/fg-bygg $ -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... 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