2009/2/7 Arnt Karlsen <[email protected]>
> On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 16:57:55 +0000, FGD wrote in message
> <[email protected]>:
>
> > 2009/2/7 Melchior FRANZ <[email protected]>
> >
> > Not that this has much to do with this thread, or Ian's
> > > FlightGear problems.
> >
> >
> > Oh I would not worry about it, this thread has been hijacked, dragged
> > off topic
>
> ..when moving off-topic, please change the subject line to help us
> all sort out what (sub)-thread belongs where. This one sub-thread
> expands a wee bit on a few things that I'd like to put in a GPL guide
> for ex-MSFS etc people unfamiliar with the GPL way of copyright law
> enforcement.
>
> > and otherwise generally killed already.
> >
> > Obviously starting another thread won't be likely to fair any better,
> > having seen what's happened here.
> >
> > I can't see any way for us to make any useful contribution under
> > these kinds of circumstance. We're simply interested in making models
> > and sharing them,
>
> ..under which license? As in, url(s) to your license (agreement)
> text(s)?
>
> > but it seems as though that is rather lower on some folks agendas
> > than it is on ours.
>
> ..yes, to me and I gather to the FG developers too, protection
> of FG copyright under the GPL will remain the very top priority.
> This means code, patches, models etc with questionable copyright
> or patent or trademark "issues", must be rejected, regardless of
> what nice new features it might offer.
>
> ..brutal, yes, but not nearly as brutally expensive as being on
> the receiving end of a copyright infringement verdict and going
> to jail.
>
> ..3'rd party models etc "which works with FG too" for any 4'th party
> end user are ok, as whether or not it "works with FG too" is irrelevant
> to FG copyright and the GPL, the GPL only concerns distribution or
> conveyance of copyrighted work between legal persons, by licensing
> what is otherwise forbidden by copyright law.
>
> ..if such 3'rd party secret model author group or such 4'th party
> end user never distributes FG or any other copyrighted work bundled
> or not with their own work, only their own work, e.g. screen shots
> of their own models in FG, then they are in full compliance with
> copyright law, by not distributing, and therefore they need no
> irrelevant GPL etc license.
>
> ..their own work, e.g. screen shots of their own models in FG,
> they are entitled to license and sell etc under whatever license
> and contracts they damn please.
>
> ..problems only rears up when you try bundle FG with "proprietary
> licensed" or otherwise incompatible-to-the-GPL licenses.
>
> ..usage, money and profits are irrelevant to the GPL. Also when you're
> Kim Jong-il and wanna steer your nukes into carrier decks with FG.
>
> > All rather unfortunate that. I can't recommend this as a solution to
> > the group,
>
> ..what group? Weird secrecy replacing common courtesy
> isn't really helpful in building trust around here.
>
> ..and we need a certain minimum amount of trust, to
> look at other peoples code without fear of allegations
> of stealing code and copyright litigation.
> Me, I have lost that trust in Ian and his secret group.
>
> > that would be reckless on my part, in view of what I have
> > learned here today. I have energy to happily spend, and freely so,
> > but not a jot of it to waste or fritter away.
> >
> > Interesting that politics now seems to replace the old config file
> > these days as a means to prevent the growth of a simulator's content.
>
> ..nor is astro-turf style trolling. Until I learn I am
> wrong about my own suspicion of Ian, I recommend keeping
> the kind of distance, I keep to Microsoft. ;o)
>
>
> ..to ward off any potential litigation, I hereby paste my own wget
> (download) action of Ian's "lwo BorgBoxes.zip", and my listing and
> md5sum'ing of said file, to put into the public record.
>
> ..I was lead to believe I was allowed to do the above to help Ian
> and his secret group find a way to make his|their lwo fileformat
> useful to FG and wise versa and to finally contribute more than
> words to FG, Ian's "lwo BorgBoxes.zip" could have used a README,
> and I hoped to convince Ian and his group to help me sell FG into
> upgrading our license from GPLv2 to GPLv3.
>
> ..it would be good if Ian or his group would confirm we (FG)
> indeed were allowed to try help out as above, by downloading
> Ian's "lwo BorgBoxes.zip" to take a look at it and to try make
> it work with FG.
>
> ..I hereby confirm I no longer have any intention to touch Ian's
> "lwo BorgBoxes.zip" and will keep my copy available for copyright
> law enforcement pursuant to any court orders and for no other
> purpose. My paste:
> a...@a45:/opt/fg-bygg $ wget -c
> http://www.aeroshop3d.com/Quickstart/DocLib/lwo%20BorgBoxes.zip
> --2009-02-06 12:11:47--
> http://www.aeroshop3d.com/Quickstart/DocLib/lwo%20BorgBoxes.zip
> Resolving www.aeroshop3d.com... 216.251.43.14
> Connecting to www.aeroshop3d.com|216.251.43.14|:80... connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
> Length: 1706 (1.7K) [application/zip]
> Saving to: `lwo BorgBoxes.zip'
>
>
> 100%[==========================================================================================================================>]
> 1,706 --.-K/s in 0s
>
> 2009-02-06 12:11:48 (75.7 MB/s) - `lwo BorgBoxes.zip' saved [1706/1706]
>
> a...@a45:/opt/fg-bygg $ ll lw* && md5sum lw*
> -rw-r--r-- 1 arnt arnt 1706 Feb 5 01:19 lwo BorgBoxes.zip
> 27a628b01b5756d1033cf892adecda7b lwo BorgBoxes.zip
> a...@a45:/opt/fg-bygg $
>
>
>
> --
> ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o)
> ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
> Scenarios always come in sets of three:
> best case, worst case, and just in case.
>
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Well as long as we are wanting to be talking about public record and having
it done correctly:
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Subject: Here you go Roy
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Hi Roy,
Sorry it's nothing breathtaking, I had to find something with limited but
mixed style texture so as not to make it more complex than would be useful
to one who has no time with lightwave yet, while showing a few basic
possibilities too! I've done that in the spirit of trying to make progress
rather than prevent it!
Thank you for your interest too, very good of you.
Any questions in using LW then you can just drop me a line direct and I'll
gladly help wherever I am able. We might not get bogged down with excessive
noise from copyright lawyers that way! <g>
Hope this goes smooth for you, a screen shot would be welcome encouragement
for me if it does! I can't do OSG 2.8 yet as I have no idea how one would
set about it and I'm probably too newbie just now for even trying to upgrade
it making a lot of sense, I need to NOT break this version of FG until there
is another version to turn to for help or rescue!! ;O)
--
Cheers,
Ian
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Hi Roy,<br><br>Sorry it's nothing breathtaking, I had to find something=
with limited but mixed style texture so as not to make it more complex tha=
n would be useful to one who has no time with lightwave yet, while showing =
a few basic possibilities too! I've done that in the spirit of trying t=
o make progress rather than prevent it!<br>
<br>Thank you for your interest too, very good of you.<br><br>Any questions=
in using LW then you can just drop me a line direct and I'll gladly he=
lp wherever I am able. We might not get bogged down with excessive no=
ise from copyright lawyers that way! <g><br>
<br>Hope this goes smooth for you, a screen shot would be welcome encourage=
ment for me if it does! I can't do OSG 2.8 yet as I have no idea how on=
e would set about it and I'm probably too newbie just now for even tryi=
ng to upgrade it making a lot of sense, I need to NOT break this version of=
FG until there is another version to turn to for help or rescue!! ;O)<br>
<br>-- <br>Cheers,<br>Ian<br>
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As you can see, this gives lie to the comments made by some about being
reluctant to supply a model as requested and it was done before those now
clearly incorrect aspersions were cast.
That I'm not keen on and and have been offended by your behavior will not
now come as a great surprise to anyone who by seeing this much of a header
can realise that I am obviously in a position to indeed forward this mail in
it's entirety to any one who want's to check it's veracity and the content
of the zip file.
I'm pleased to have at least clarified the public record you were so keen to
see made known, with some indisuptable fact!
Frankly I think you may well have hung yourself out to dry on this one. I do
so love Karma.
Obviously this is not something Roy could be in a position to do, whereas I
would have no such restriction, of course.
My compliments indeed.
--
Cheers,
Ian
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