Hi Vivian

When I started this I didn't realize it was an ambitius project - just a 
matter of plugging info into an xml file, and I DID know how low on the 
curve I was.  Right now I guess I'll just have to wait for the next version 
of FlightGear, and get along with the aircraft flightplan - at least there 
is water traffic now, even if rudimentary in comparision to what your new 
files will provide.

If you want what I've done so far let me know direct  the best way to 
organize the info for a zip file.  Right now I have all but three of the 
Washington State Ferries in, and have started on the British Columbia 
Ferries.  Some will have to be on hold until I have the means to utilize 
your WAIT and WAITUNTIL.

Cheers, Neil

> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:20:29 -0000
> From: "Vivian Meazza"
> Hi Neil,
>
> I hadn't realised that you were embarking on an ambitious project from 
> such
> a low point on the learning curve. In order to find and use the new flight
> plan stuff you need to download the latest data and source code from the 
> cvs
> repository. You then need to compile the source code. This is a complex
> subject, but if you use Linux, then this procedure should be fairly 
> familiar
> to you, and if you are on Windows, then here's a step by step guide:
>
> http://www.oflebbe.de/oflebbe/FlightGear/index.html
>
> You will probably need to set aside several days to get to understand and
> then get it all to work correctly. But you will find it very rewarding if
> you do.
>
> Of course all the new stuff won't work on ver 0.9.10, which is old, and 
> very
> out of date. Otherwise you will have to wait until there is a new release,
> and that doesn't seem like any time soon, but we might be surprised.
>
> I'm now in the process of implementing another new concept - the WAITUNTIL
> token which when encountered in a flight plan will cause the AIShip to 
> pause
> until a specified time (gmt) is reached. That will probably be finished by
> the end of this weekend.
>
> HTH
>
> Vivian
>
>
>>
>> Hi Vivian
>>
>> Well, I found out two things.
>> 1. The WAIT entry doesn't work in the Aircraft Flightplan
>> xml, and 2. I still don't have the foggiest idea how to find
>> your new AIShip files.
>>
>> After searching flightgear.org and wiki.flightgear.org, and finally
>> Googleing "data/AI/FlightPlans/PA_PA-Victoria.xml" all I have
>> come up with
>> for the xml file is:
>>  [FlightGear-devel] Weekly CVS Changelog Summary:FlightGear Data
>> /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/AI/FlightPlans/PA_PA-Victoria.xml and
>> /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/AI/PAVictoria_demo.xml.
>>
>> No reference on what precedes the "/var/...".  I gather this
>> must be common
>> knowledge in the FlightGear community, but I'm so new here it
>> doesn't mean
>> anything yet.
>>
>> PLEASE HELP!  :)
>> Cheers, Neil
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:37:30 -0000
>> > From: "Vivian Meazza" >
>> > Neil Smith
>> >
>> > The WAIT entry in the flight plan looks like this:
>> >
>> > <wpt>
>> >
>> > <name>WAIT</name>
>> >
>> > <wait-time-sec>1800</wait-time-sec>
>> >
>> > </wpt>
>> >
>> > and should be placed immediately after the waypoint at
>> which you want
>> > the AIShip to pause. Note that when the WAIT token is encountered,
>> > speed is immediately set to 0: you will need to ensure that
>> speed is
>> > lost beforehand. I've also added a manoeuvring turning
>> radius of 500ft
>> > for ships if the speed
>> > is <= 5kts and >= -5kts . These values are hard coded, but could be
>> > settable
>> > in the scenario file if there is enough demand for it.
>> >
>> > You can find the flight plan in:
>> >
>> > ~/data/AI/FlightPlans/PA_PA-Victoria.xml
>> >
>> > Send any new plans you have to me, and I'll either upload
>> them to cvs,
>> > or make them available on a website.
>> >
>> > I'm now working on adding submodels to all AI Objects, so
>> that we can
>> > have better wakes etc. (at the cost of frame rate - about 10 here).
>> >
>> > Vivian
>> >
>> >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:31:14 -0000
>> >> From: "Vivian Meazza"
>> >>
>> >> A long time ago, or so it seems, I wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Hi Vivian
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Vivian Meazza wrote:
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > I've got the code for AIShips to follow a flightplan working.
>> >>> > > I've done a little testing on Dene's data. Seems OK,
>> except more
>> >>> > realistic
>> >>> > > turning circles make the ships run aground from time
>> to time -
>> >>> > > the waypoints need adjusting, and perhaps a few more
>> would help.
>> >>
>> >> It turned out to be more complex than I thought - just moving the
>> >> AIAircraft code over to AIShips exposed all manner of bugs and
>> >> unwanted features. Finally a fully working version is in cvs,
>> >> together with some updated routes
>> >> for Port Angeles - Victoria (British Columbia). The new
>> code introduces
>> >> the
>> >> concept of the WAIT token: when this token is reached in
>> the flightplan,
>> >> the
>> >> AIShip stops for the specified time.
>> >
>> > I'm anxious to see the format for the WAIT token.  This
>> will solve all
>> > sorts
>> >
>> > of route problems for me, especially for the last of the Puget Sound
>> > ferries
>> >
>> > "to do".  Starting April 1 there will be four ships
>> servicing the same
>> > terminals in the San Juan Islands with the mainland, with
>> at least one
>> > including Sidney, British Columbia.
>> >
>> >> I've also added some eye-candy to Dene's very nice ferry.
>> >>
>> >> For those who don't use cvs, the new route files can be adapted to
>> >> for
>> >> use
>> >> with 0.9.10 or earlier by following the instructions in the file.
>> >
>> > I don't use cvs and have one BIG problem - I can't find the
>> navigation
>> > route
>> >
>> > in FlightGear to your new files for AIShips.  Please
>> specify for this
>> > knothead :)
>> >
>> > Also, I would like to share my ferry routes with anyone interested,
>> > but without a website I don't know the best way to do this.
>> >
>> > Thank you Vivian for your efforts on this problem with non-aviation
>> > aspects
>> > of the sim.
>> >
>> > Cheers, Neil Smith
>> >



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