Iconicity is basically "form miming meaning" but It also has to do with Pierce This is the one of the best places to start: http://www.arthist.lu.se/kultsem/encyclo/iconicity.html
Have you ever studied the Basic Chinese Radicals..the really old ones.. (Like say in Dr. L. Wieger's books) they call them "primitives" sometimes.. These things look like what they represent.. Fire basically looks like what it is.. It looks like some flames.. add phonosemantics to the equation and the word for fire might sound like fire burning.. except its a little more complicated than that.. its basically onomotopoietics and its relationship with grammar syntactics semantics and by association semiotics, anthropology, biolinguistics what have you.. For me its the potential of Iconicity in relationship with Delire that has some nice possibilities. (sic) Have you studied Jean Jacques Lecercle? eg Philosophy Thru The Looking Glass.. or The Violence of Language.. Great stuff.. >And what would "Iconicity in Expressive Language" >mean? Glyphs and/or rebus-type things mixed into text? If that's the >case, then yes, I've done that. Esp. involving iconic treatment of letters >as calligraphic signs in the midst of print. Its that, yes.. but more importantly its the idea that forms themselves are intimately associated with what they themselves mean.. and this has all kinds of ramifications for sociology, biology.. (ie Biosemiotics, many sub-discipines, and in fact the history of language and by default all poetics) Its sort of an obscure debate in Linguistics and Semiotics theory.. especially as it tries to deconstruct some of the different theorists like Eco and Goodman and basically Suassure who posit the conventional symbol and sort of leave out iconicity as "noise" but as in here this will do the trick.. http://www.trismegistos.com/IconicityInLanguage/Articles/Emerson.html I will mix a few up together so you can see how the general study of iconicity mixes with poetics http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/french/as-sa/ASSA-No10/No10-A1.html http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/Coeur.htm http://www.victorianweb.org/cpace/ht/wenz/image.html here's a message fron Doctor Nanny about his symposium.. He's in a very expensive to own book _Form Miming Meaning_ and _The Motivated Sign_ He's a pretty important guy.. I have been in contact with him for a short time and as soon as his archives come back on-line at the University of Amsterdam.. He's mailing me.. http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2854.html http://www.english.upenn.edu/CFP/archive/1996-07/0005.html here's the Higgins collection reference: Cl�ver, Claus no letters, Cl�ver ms "Iconicity and Isomorphism in Brazilian Concrete Poems." Cook, Elizabeth: 4 letters, 1986-87. http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/special_collections/higgins_m11.html http://www.trismegistos.com/IconicityInLanguage/default.html http://www.arthist.lu.se/kultsem/sonesson/many_iconic1.html anyway I'm very sure I'm rambling.. I've warmed to the subject quite a bit over the last few months.. so I'll Proomptly Shoosh.. Lanny http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/NOEMA.HTM ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Morhigh Cueless Queues Queuing > Great-looking stuff, Solipsis. Couldn't open a couple of 'em, but the ones > I saw I liked... And what would "Iconicity in Expressive Language" > mean? Glyphs and/or rebus-type things mixed into text? If that's the > case, then yes, I've done that. Esp. involving iconic treatment of letters > as calligraphic signs in the midst of print. > Onword, > John > > At 08:02 AM 3/5/02 -0800, you wrote: > >Puiguitkaat 1978 Elder's Conference > > > >here's one: [yaligman] (night-people) : a word for seals > > > >Yeah, My wife works at the publishing house that produced that work.. They > >had an internal auction for storeroom "junk".. and that beautiful text was > >among the treasures she brought home.. I think she paid 2 dollars for it.. I > >still swoon everytime I dig into it... I was thinking (wishing) of doing a > >mini-study of nasal-stop clusters or any of the phonosemantic or ideophonic > >(choose your flavor of iconism).. aspects of that incredible eskimo > >language. Are you interested in Iconicity in Expressive language? I have > >been trying to educate myself in Iconicity studies for about the last 6 > >months. It seems like with the interest in Philadelpho Menezes here in the > >group, there would definitely be some interest in the vast web presence of > >Iconicity studies and it would make an interesting topic on the list. I have > >seen some Iconicity references in Dick higgins work.. > > > >Here are some images I have been working on which illustrate some of my > >interest in the subject. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > Phanerospace Series: Iconicity as Exolinguistic transhistorical > >imageCulture. (Noema in the Lifespace) > > > >These Collaged "Spaces" were created using real and fictive language fonts. > >Human forms are also included becoming Noema themselves. > > > >These spaces are aimed at providing language delimiting experiences of > >Iconicity and providing a kind of homage to the beauty of the biomorphic > >mark. Exobiological Thought Cultures in Image File Petridishscreen. > > > >(these are large printable files 1-3 megs) > > > >http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/desktopcollage/istelecopulatriumsm.jpg > > > >http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/desktopcollage/languefieldsm.jpg > > > >http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/desktopcollage/languemuseandpoetsm.jpg > > > >http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/desktopcollage/languemuseattaquesm.jpg > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >I have also started to build a webbed "Indexical" Shrine.. I tried to riff > >off the Idea of Icon as in religious Icon but using doublings as a departure > >and text patterns as "Iconic ground".. > > > >Eventually the scrolling text will contain hundreds of links to iconicity > >essays and resources as well as poetic and artistic departures into this > >mysterious realm of emergent semiotics.. The images on the left activate > >various Ikon "Madonnas".. These will be linked some day perhaps to poems.. > >Please submit one if you wish and I could link it in.. The poem should > >somehow activate the relationship between the "mother ikon" and the "child > >ikon" of each image.. a fluxus project? (a jumble of daedalusians).. > > > >http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/collagepoetry/ikonicity/ > > > >please excuse the webdesign.. its for IE only so far.. and its not perfected > >but it works.. > > > >ars reacta, > >Lanny > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John M. Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:37 AM > >Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Morhigh Cueless Queues Queuing > > > > > > > Solipsis: > > > That Elder's Conference produced some mighty words: "skin boated wo man's > > > hool"! "hot iron blon eat igimaq" > > > John > > > > > > At 01:10 PM 3/4/02 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Potlatch > > > > > > > >Ayak to un pem likan hurl > > > >Avarriqi dans thee ole burtter'd sk 'url > > > >aaaqaaa! hiii hiiii! buffalo whale skitterns > > > > > > > > > > > >Ig Liq > > > > > > > >Ptar My gone dun have har > > > >baneet der Clews clum slews > > > >im hurm the hot iron blon eat igimaq > > > > > > > >Truns Par > > > > > > > >Ent Beed slung rount shest > > > >in clearing a hide fur symb ols slit > > > >the wide spac'd folly of wizen'd hornamunts > > > > > > > >Merry Trish > > > > > > > >Hush uld gleamer a qimiagaat a qiniqqayag > > > >a med ium siz ed Whal im spongimoss'd caribu > > > >ulu a skin boated wo man's hool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >some objects from: > > > >* ISBN 0-936052-01-5 > > > > LOC# 81-81107 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "John M. Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:34 AM > > > >Subject: FLUXLIST: More haikuless haiku > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gift > > > > > > > > > > F laze 'n f licker, sord a temptonitious > > > > > p lace dans ton regard > > > > > cadeaux you's eating cross the eye lake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bun ter > > > > > > > > > > Ah f lab m ice shadow! rust an > > > > > r ump faze > > > > > s hit s hiver p lace the hall beyond yr (reach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gas ket > > > > > > > > > > Nab 'n. t rool sofa where, you d > > > > > rove 'n p low > > > > > ah seal ant tasteless like a cube! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Br ick > > > > > > > > > > Neck smear, g h aze term inus tem > > > > > prature an mort > > > > > are this you can? was foaming worth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John M. 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