Quoting Micheal Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > uh public discourse....the communication of ideas, aesthetics. is cave > painting a valid > means of public discourse nowadays? that is what is happening to > painting...if it hasn't happened > already.
There is quite a subculture, even high culture, consisting of a number of people who consider graffiti, street murals, glass scratching as both painting and means of public discourse. I guess you disagree with them. Why? It really comes down to the fact that you are trying to justify a personal opinion. Your corallary is the totally art-uneducated businessman who looks at contemporary art with disdain and buys the flower painting off the street, saying "I know art when I see it" - and he is being more honest. > You are not making any sense. It's like you are preacher saying > >believe in God, have faith. Why? What authority has been granted you to > define > >painting as this general "invalid" enterprise. Suppose someone is painting > for > >decoration? Or to give as a gift their lover? > > duh those aren't a matter of public discourse now are they? Duh, you didn't define your defense until now - thus preventing any reasonable examples within your domain. Do you say dope and doh (homer simpson) also? I bet you are good at it. > i didn't say that at all round about or otherwise. look if you like the > gallery > thing and the way paintings are evaluated....mostly as a commodity for > well to do elites....and don't want any of your work discussed with any > amount of seriousness just to pretend you are part of some antiquated > notion of what an artist was no one is stopping you. Sorry, must be next person in the queue, and I don't believe in the romantic painter rotting in his garret either. It seems to me that your opinions are more hardened than any antiquated gentleman playing at his tin pots. You are too enthused by the new - makes you easy to seduce I imagine. > > "HOPEFULLY it will become unfashionable to judge things only superficially > by style. " THEN WHY ARE YOU DOING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop being a hypocrit. > > you know so much about my circles eh? tell me more....what kind > of people are in my "circles"? I don't know, you tell me...who all do you know that believes painting is meaningless and useless for public discourse. BTW - we are having a public discourse about painting aren't we? > you are making shit up now.... that doesn't have anything to do with what i > said.being friends with rocks has nothing to do with what is going on today at > least in any sense that i see as relevant. i hope we are in at least > agreement that artist aren't doing cave paintings anymore......but of course > if someone wants to do that i would be the last person to stop them...... Well, I am making cave paintings that are made both with charcoal sticks and touch screen monitors. However, that might not qualify as strictly painting - nor strictly speaking, qualify as "in a cave". However, my studio gets pretty moldy sometimes. As for the quote, there is more to life than just the intellect. > > >So you essentially equate the total history of painting to be just a "style" > of > >art... just like dixieland is a "style" of jazz, itself a "style" of music. > You > >just made me hiccup. That means I am amused. > > no you were equating that. i think style is only a very small part of it No - you said that dixieland jazz was out of style with the implication that painting was the same. > i will quote you in case you forgot: > > "I suppose you have forseen the future and are letting the world know that > painting will never again be fashionable. Or for that matter, you know every > > corner of the world and judge that it is not fashionable in any sector of the > Gawd, in the whole damn intellectual universe of the early 21st century I had to find the one "intellectual" who does not understand sarcasm. > planet." - Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Straw]man Art[ist] The call me the Staw Boss. Got it kid? -- Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]� Take the Survey everyone is talking about... http://www.electrichands.com/genius2000 Electric Hands, Inc www.electrichands.com 212-255-4527 ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
