Hello Kjell, Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:44:08 PM, you wrote:
First of all, I'm learning about all that myself, so my answers might not be necessary correct (I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong). > Okay I want to compile it on cygwin. > Which version of fonc should I use? This one is a bit old, but is more likely to compile without problems: http://piumarta.com/software/cola/idst-20070918.tar.gz The latest version you can download using: svn co http://piumarta.com/svn2/idst/trunk idst you would need to install svn (either stand alone or through cygwin) > What is Jolt? It's a function language with a scheme-like syntax. It's a bit like scripting language, since you don't compile it to an executable, though it compiles to machine code at run time. > What is Coke? Here's what I'm confused, either it is a separate language, or it is another name for jolt. Though if it is a different language, then it's extremely similar to jolt: http://piumarta.com/software/cola/coke.html (pretty much everything described here work in jolt) > What is Pepsi? Pepsi is object oriented prototype-based language, that resembles Smalltalk. Unlike Jolt, it is compiled into an executable. I think another name for it is also idst. http://piumarta.com/software/cola/pepsi.html Both of those links might not be completely up to date, but I think it should provide most of needed information (especially if you already know Scheme and Smalltalk) > Cola is Lisp plus Smalltalk right? Actually COLA is Pepsi & Coke/Jolt > Plus a lot of weird stuff like variables > that are macros and weird stuff like that. > Is there a debugger I can use to step through its execution? As far as I know - no. If there is I'm really interested. Because those languages are late bound sometimes is very hard to debug them. With Pepsi, when you compile something, it doesn't mean it will run, and when the compiled program won't run it won't display you line code (perhaps that might be somehow solved by storing this information in executable?) > Are there test cases? For Pepsi, there's object/st80/test-st80.st though it is more about testing the st80 library. There are also many examples. > I don't know C so which compiler should I use? gcc? I think it will work best with gcc (it might not even work with other compilers at all) > Could you point me to the mailing list where others have > tried to do this? Or perhaps I could be the example here? As far as I know this is the only mailing list for Cola. As for example, if you install cygwin (compiling on linux might be less likely to fail though) you should install gcc, make and other dependencies, you can also install svn (subversion) when you're at it) Then go to the directory that you extracted and type: make That will take a while. Once you finish that, you don't have to install it, just go to one of examples and type make run to see how it works. > Seems like most of the people here know gcc really really well. > I don't. I only know Smalltalk, Scheme, Prolog Good news for you: Once you compile it (and if everything goes well, typing make should do everything) you won't really have to worry about C. Most C related stuff is only when you want to call libc functions from Pepsi or Jolt. I'm a C guy, and I actually never learned Smalltalk and Scheme, so learning about Jolt and Pepsi takes a lot of time for me. I think it should be way easier for you. > although I did C in the 1980s. I don't think it changed that much since then ;) Though I doubt you'll need it much (most of the .c files are generated from the Pepsi source code) > I hated Microsoft's C compiler so much that I swore I would > never touch C again. But turbo C was good. > If you help me then my example might help others too. > I like to document. So this tendency might be useful to you. I don't think you should have problem with it, as long as you install everything you need in cygwin. If you'll still have problems I'll try my best to help. -- Best regards, Derek mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNA, SCSA, SCNA, LPIC, MCP certified It's not bogus, it's an IBM standard _______________________________________________ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
