On 6/24/2011 9:07 PM, Julian Leviston wrote:
On 24/06/2011, at 11:42 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
They gave that presentation more than once (I saw it a OOPSLA).
Awesome :)
Here's a version from JAOO'08, streams fine in Germany:
http://blog.jaoo.dk/2008/11/21/art-and-code-obscure-or-beautiful-code/
- Bert -
I actually thought the presentation was terrible, not very accessible
and incredibly cliquey... it was so referential that you had to almost
have lived through the things they were talking about to "get"
whatever it was they were talking about - sort of self-defeating if
they were aiming at instruction, which their last few words would
indicate.
sadly, I will mostly have to agree...
actually, not only were many of the languages they were presenting from
the 60s and 70s, but also their presentation style seems to be borrowing
a lot from that time-frame.
so, a lot of it seemed a bit, tacky...
sadly, it could have been a fairly interesting topic apart matters of
presentation.
going a bit OT here...
more so from the POV of someone who did not yet exist when this stuff
was going on. I don't have much nostalgia for pastel or old-style
music... maybe I might have nostalgia for NiN and Marilyn Manson,
because I remember them and was around when they were new (then again,
my parents were also big into NiN and Manson as well). meanwhile, there
is older music (Metallica, Judas Priest, ...) which my parents liked
(since they were around when these were still new, and I guess they were
rather into metal when they were younger, and I guess they generally
despised the hippies and hippie music).
however, I don't as much relate to these either.
mostly I am left listening to Trance and House. in the past I did listen
to a lot of Goth and Industrial, but a lot of times it clashed with my
religious sensibilities, creating internal conflict. many people (who
hold religious beliefs) generally also like country-western, but I just
don't really like this style and see little reason for why it would be
any "better" than, say, House (although... a hybrid could be
interesting... say combining C/W cliches with a house-style
back-beat...) not that it would necessarily not suck though...
past decades sometimes seem rather strange though...
also, past decades seem like they probably rather sucked as well, since
most things people currently often take for granted were not around. for
example, for nearly my whole life (that I am generally able to remember
at least) there has been desktop PCs and the internet. a world without
them seems like it would probably rather suck...
but then again, I have seen the world change over time:
the rise of faster and better internet (I remember dial-up...);
laptops going from being a novelty to being common;
the rise of WiFi;
games transitioning from being relatively simple (low detail worlds and
sprite graphics) to being much more graphically detailed;
computers get faster (technically), and at the same time, slower (in the
sense of being responsive and completing operations in a timely manner);
...
and, meanwhile, I sit around being torn between the past and the future.
or such...
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