I'm pretty much in agreement with you about all your points. I just thought it was worth a look, as I said.
Julian On 24/04/2012, at 5:50 PM, Jarek Rzeszótko wrote: > You make it sound a bit like this was a working solution already, while it > seems to be a prototype at best, they are collecting funding right now: > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/306316578/light-table. > > I would love to be proven wrong, but I think given the state of the project, > many people overexcite over it: some of the things proposed aren't new, just > wrapped into a nice modern design (you could try to create a new "skin" or UI > toolkit for some Smalltalk IDE for a similiar effect), while for the ones > that would be new like the real-time evaluation or visualisation there is too > little detail to say whether they are onto something or not - I am sure many > people thought of such things in the past, but it is highly questionable to > what extent those are actually doable, especially in an existing language > like Clojure or JavaScript. I am not convinced if dropping 200,000$ at the > thing will help with coming up with a solution if there is no decent set of > ideas to begin with. I would personally be much more enthusiastic if the > people behind the project at least outlined possible approaches they might > take, before trying to collect money. Currently it sounds like they just plan > to "hack" it until it handles a reasonable number of special cases, but tools > that work only some of the time are favoured by few. I think we need good > theoretical approaches to problems like this before we can make any progress > in how the actual real tools work like. > > Cheers, > Jarosław Rzeszótko > > 2012/4/24 Julian Leviston <jul...@leviston.net> > Thought this is worth a look as a next step after Brett Victor's work > (http://vimeo.com/36579366) on UI for programmers... > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ibdknox/light-table > > We're still not quite "there" yet IMHO, but that's getting towards the > general direction... tie that in with a tile-script like language, and I > think we might have something really useful. > > Julian > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > fonc@vpri.org > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > fonc@vpri.org > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
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