On 2012-11-19, at 20:26, karl ramberg <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Cyril Hansen <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> As an engineer / hobbyist, I have been waiting for the final release of the >> STEPS projet to communicate about it in my home country / language, both to >> foster interest and open up perspectives for the public. >> >> I am glad to hear that the eventual release would not be 'final' but I am >> still expecting for a release anyhow. >> >> >> Some sort of source snapshot would allow an hobbyist like me to contribute >> packaging and practical documentation. >> >> I was considering the packaging of Frank in a virtual machine image, and >> the recording of a video demo / howto in youtube. >> >> >> If this work is successful and gather interest, maybe we could try to get >> space for an article in some development magazine, setup demos in free >> software technical conferences, etc.. >> >> I would like community projects and scientific research to help each others. >> Is there any issue of intellectual property which may prevent this ? My >> uninformed opinion was that NSF funds mandated public release of all >> software part of the funded research. >> >> >> Regards, >> Cyril HANSEN >> > > I have seen much of the code i available for peeking around various > repositories on the net, but for it to run in Squeak one > needs the Gezira plugin. > I'm guessing VPRI had a Mac version :-) > > It would be cool if the code was available and someone took the time > to make it run on all 3 major platforms. > I'm not sure how much work it would be to port to Windows or Linux... > > > Karl Actually, Gezira works fine on Mac, Windows, and Linux. The code is here: https://github.com/damelang/gezira/ Should just be a small matter of compiling .... - Bert - >> 2012/11/8 David Girle <[email protected]> >>> >>> If analogies from other industries work, it is not the role of scientists >>> to deliver production ready systems, that has been the role of engineers. >>> Maybe a snapshot before you push on, would allow others on this list to >>> learn more from your science projects so far. >>> It may help the engineers more fully understand the technologies, as some >>> of us work better with papers + artifacts, rather than just papers. >>> >>> With respect, >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Alan Kay <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Carl >>>> >>>> Just to keep on saying it ... the STEPS project had/has completely >>>> different goals than the Smalltalk project -- STEPS really is a "science >>>> project" -- or a collection of science projects -- that has never been >>>> aimed >>>> at a deployable artifact, but instead is aimed at finding better and more >>>> compact ways to express meanings. >>>> >>>> We did make it possible to exhibit and permute a wide range of media in >>>> real-time -- it makes it much easier to show people the results of >>>> important >>>> pieces of code this way -- but this is quite a ways from the packaging and >>>> finishing that was done for the Smalltalks. >>>> >>>> However, it would be possible to do something analogous to a Smalltalk >>>> from the current state of things, but we are instead pushing even more >>>> deeply into "Whats" rather than "Hows". >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Carl Gundel <[email protected]> >>>> To: 'Fundamentals of New Computing' <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 2:45 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report? >>>> >>>> Thanks Kim. Will there be enough documentation for interested people to >>>> be >>>> able to build on top of VPRI's STEPS project? I'm thinking something >>>> like >>>> the blue book with a CDROM. :-) >>>> >>>> -Carl >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>> Kim >>>> Rose >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:37 PM >>>> To: Fundamentals of New Computing >>>> Subject: Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report? >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> For those of you interested and waiting -- the NSF (National Science >>>> Foundation) funding for the 5-year "STEPS" project has now finished (we >>>> stretched that funding to last for 6 years). The final report on this >>>> work >>>> will be published and available on our website by the end of this >>>> calendar >>>> year. >>>> >>>> We have received some more funding (although not to the extent of this >>>> original 5-year grant) and our work will carry on. That said, we're >>>> always >>>> looking for more funding to maintain day to day operations so we welcome >>>> any >>>> support and donations at any time. :-) >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Kim Rose >>>> Viewpoints Research Institute >>>> >>>> Viewpoints Research is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization dedicated to >>>> improving "powerful ideas education" for the world's children and >>>> advancing >>>> the state of systems research and personal computing. Please visit us >>>> online >>>> at www.vpri.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Carl Gundel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, I do hope that VPRI has managed to find more funding money so >>>>> that >>>> this doesn't have to be a final STEP report. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> -Carl >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>> Loup Vaillant >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:45 PM >>>>> To: Fundamentals of New Computing >>>>> Subject: [fonc] Final STEP progress report? >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> The two last progress reports having being published in October, I was >>>> wondering if we will have the final one soon. Have we an estimation of >>>> when >>>> this might be completed? As a special request, I'd like to know a bit >>>> about >>>> what to expect. >>>>> >>>>> Unless of course it's all meant to be a surprise. But please at least >>>> tell me you have decided not to disclose anything right now. In any case, >>>> I >>>> promise I'll be patient. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Loup. >>>>> >>>>> PS: If I sound like a jumping impatient child, that's because right >>>>> now, I feel like one. _______________________________________________ fonc mailing list [email protected] http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
