On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 2012-11-19, at 20:26, karl ramberg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Cyril Hansen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> As an engineer / hobbyist, I have been waiting for the final release of the >>> STEPS projet to communicate about it in my home country / language, both to >>> foster interest and open up perspectives for the public. >>> >>> I am glad to hear that the eventual release would not be 'final' but I am >>> still expecting for a release anyhow. >>> >>> >>> Some sort of source snapshot would allow an hobbyist like me to contribute >>> packaging and practical documentation. >>> >>> I was considering the packaging of Frank in a virtual machine image, and >>> the recording of a video demo / howto in youtube. >>> >>> >>> If this work is successful and gather interest, maybe we could try to get >>> space for an article in some development magazine, setup demos in free >>> software technical conferences, etc.. >>> >>> I would like community projects and scientific research to help each others. >>> Is there any issue of intellectual property which may prevent this ? My >>> uninformed opinion was that NSF funds mandated public release of all >>> software part of the funded research. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Cyril HANSEN >>> >> >> I have seen much of the code i available for peeking around various >> repositories on the net, but for it to run in Squeak one >> needs the Gezira plugin. >> I'm guessing VPRI had a Mac version :-) >> >> It would be cool if the code was available and someone took the time >> to make it run on all 3 major platforms. >> I'm not sure how much work it would be to port to Windows or Linux... >> >> >> Karl > > Actually, Gezira works fine on Mac, Windows, and Linux. The code is here: > > https://github.com/damelang/gezira/ > > Should just be a small matter of compiling .... > > - Bert -
Thanks. I'll see if I can get this to compile :-) Karl > >>> 2012/11/8 David Girle <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> If analogies from other industries work, it is not the role of scientists >>>> to deliver production ready systems, that has been the role of engineers. >>>> Maybe a snapshot before you push on, would allow others on this list to >>>> learn more from your science projects so far. >>>> It may help the engineers more fully understand the technologies, as some >>>> of us work better with papers + artifacts, rather than just papers. >>>> >>>> With respect, >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Alan Kay <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Carl >>>>> >>>>> Just to keep on saying it ... the STEPS project had/has completely >>>>> different goals than the Smalltalk project -- STEPS really is a "science >>>>> project" -- or a collection of science projects -- that has never been >>>>> aimed >>>>> at a deployable artifact, but instead is aimed at finding better and more >>>>> compact ways to express meanings. >>>>> >>>>> We did make it possible to exhibit and permute a wide range of media in >>>>> real-time -- it makes it much easier to show people the results of >>>>> important >>>>> pieces of code this way -- but this is quite a ways from the packaging and >>>>> finishing that was done for the Smalltalks. >>>>> >>>>> However, it would be possible to do something analogous to a Smalltalk >>>>> from the current state of things, but we are instead pushing even more >>>>> deeply into "Whats" rather than "Hows". >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Carl Gundel <[email protected]> >>>>> To: 'Fundamentals of New Computing' <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 2:45 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Kim. Will there be enough documentation for interested people to >>>>> be >>>>> able to build on top of VPRI's STEPS project? I'm thinking something >>>>> like >>>>> the blue book with a CDROM. :-) >>>>> >>>>> -Carl >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>> Kim >>>>> Rose >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:37 PM >>>>> To: Fundamentals of New Computing >>>>> Subject: Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report? >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> For those of you interested and waiting -- the NSF (National Science >>>>> Foundation) funding for the 5-year "STEPS" project has now finished (we >>>>> stretched that funding to last for 6 years). The final report on this >>>>> work >>>>> will be published and available on our website by the end of this >>>>> calendar >>>>> year. >>>>> >>>>> We have received some more funding (although not to the extent of this >>>>> original 5-year grant) and our work will carry on. That said, we're >>>>> always >>>>> looking for more funding to maintain day to day operations so we welcome >>>>> any >>>>> support and donations at any time. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Kim Rose >>>>> Viewpoints Research Institute >>>>> >>>>> Viewpoints Research is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization dedicated to >>>>> improving "powerful ideas education" for the world's children and >>>>> advancing >>>>> the state of systems research and personal computing. Please visit us >>>>> online >>>>> at www.vpri.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Carl Gundel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well, I do hope that VPRI has managed to find more funding money so >>>>>> that >>>>> this doesn't have to be a final STEP report. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> -Carl >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>> Loup Vaillant >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:45 PM >>>>>> To: Fundamentals of New Computing >>>>>> Subject: [fonc] Final STEP progress report? >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> The two last progress reports having being published in October, I was >>>>> wondering if we will have the final one soon. Have we an estimation of >>>>> when >>>>> this might be completed? As a special request, I'd like to know a bit >>>>> about >>>>> what to expect. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unless of course it's all meant to be a surprise. But please at least >>>>> tell me you have decided not to disclose anything right now. In any case, >>>>> I >>>>> promise I'll be patient. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Loup. >>>>>> >>>>>> PS: If I sound like a jumping impatient child, that's because right >>>>>> now, I feel like one. > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc _______________________________________________ fonc mailing list [email protected] http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
