I have a pretty good example of this.  I would like to look up whether
there's a difference between cigarettes and e-cigarettes for short and long
term health.  I know people who experience weight gain on e-cigarettes, and
lose weight on regular cigarettes.
On Sep 8, 2013 9:46 AM, "Alan Kay" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Paul
>
> When I said "even scientists go against their training" I was also
> pointing out really deep problems in humanity's attempts at thinking (we
> are quite terrible thinkers!).
>
> If we still make most decisions without realizing why, and use
> conventional "thinking tools" as ways to rationalize them, then
> technologists providing vastly more efficient, wide and deep, sources for
> rationalizing is the opposite of a great gift.
>
> Imagine a Google that also retrieves counter-examples. Or one that
> actively tries to help find chains of reasoning that are based on
> principles one -- or others -- claim to hold. Or one that looks at the
> system implications of local human desires and actions.
>
> Etc.
>
> I'm guessing that without a lot of training, most humans would not choose
> to use a real "thinking augmenter".
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Alan
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Paul Homer <[email protected]>
> *To:* Alan Kay <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* Fundamentals of New Computing <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 8, 2013 7:34 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> I agree that there is, and probably will always be, a necessity to 'think
> outside of the box', although if the box was larger, it would be less
> necessary. But I wasn't really thinking about scientists and the pursuit of
> new knowledge, but rather the trillions? of mundane decisions that people
> regularly make on a daily basis.
>
> A tool like Wikipedia really helps in being able to access a refined chunk
> of knowledge, but the navigation and categorization are statically defined.
> Sometimes what I am trying to find is spread horizontally across a large
> number of pages. If, as a simple example, a person could have a dynamically
> generated Wikipedia page created just for them that factored in their
> current knowledge and the overall context of the situation then they'd be
> able to utilize that knowledge more appropriately. They could still choose
> to skim or ignore it, but if they wanted a deeper understanding, they could
> read the compiled research in a few minutes.
>
> The Web, particularly for programmers, has been a great tease for this.
> You can look up any coding example instantly (although you do have to sort
> through the bad examples and misinformation). The downside is that I find
> it far more common for people to not really understanding what is actually
> happening underneath, but I suspect that that is driven by increasing time
> pressures and expectations rather than but a shift in the way we relate to
> knowledge.
>
> What I think would really help is not just to allow access to the breadth
> of knowledge, but to also enable individuals to get to the depth as well.
> Also the ability to quickly recognize lies, myths, propaganda, etc.
>
> Paul.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 2013-09-08, at 7:12 AM, Alan Kay <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul
>
> I'm sure you are aware that yours is a very "Engelbartian" point of view,
> and I think there is still much value in trying to make things better in
> this direction.
>
> However, it's also worth noting the studies over the last 40 years (and
> especially recently) that show how often even scientists go against their
> training and knowledge in their decisions, and are driven more by desire
> and environment than they realize. More knowledge is not the answer here --
> but it's possible that very different kinds of training could help greatly.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Alan
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Paul Homer <[email protected]>
> *To:* Alan Kay <[email protected]>; Fundamentals of New Computing <
> [email protected]>; Fundamentals of New Computing <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2013 12:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> I can't predict what will come, but I definitely have a sense of where I
> think we should go. Collectively as a species, we know a great deal, but
> individually people still make important choices based on too little
> knowledge.
>
> In a very abstract sense 'intelligence' is just a more dynamic offshoot of
> 'evolution'. A sort of hyper-evolution. It allows a faster route towards
> reacting to changes in the enviroment, but it is still very limited by
> individual perspectives of the world. I don't think we need AI in the
> classic Hollywood sense, but we could enable a sort of hyper-intelligence
> by giving people easily digestable access to our collective understanding.
> Not a 'borg' style single intelligence, but rather just the tools that can
> be used to make descisions that are more "accurate" than an individual
> would have made normally.
>
> To me the path to get there lies within our understanding of data. It
> needs to be better organized, better understood and far more accessible. It
> can't keep getting caught up in silos, and it really needs ways to share it
> appropriately. The world changes dramatically when we've developed the
> ability to fuse all of our digitized information into one great structural
> model that has the capability to separate out fact from fiction. It's a
> long way off, but I've always thought it was possible...
>
> Paul.
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Alan Kay <[email protected]>
> *To:* Fundamentals of New Computing <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 3, 2013 7:48:22 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?
>
> Hi Jonathan
>
> We are not soliciting proposals, but we like to hear the opinions of
> others on "burning issues" and "better directions" in computing.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Jonathan Edwards <[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:44 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?
>
> That's great news! We desperately need fresh air. As you know, the way a
> problem is framed bounds its solutions. Do you already know what problems
> to work on or are you soliciting proposals?
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> From: Alan Kay <[email protected]>
> To: Fundamentals of New Computing <[email protected]>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 10:45:50 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?
> Hi Dan
>
> It actually got written and given to NSF and approved, etc., a while ago,
> but needs a little more work before posting on the VPRI site.
>
> Meanwhile we've been consumed by setting up a number of additional, and
> wider scale, research projects, and this has occupied pretty much all of my
> time for the last 5-6 months.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Dan Melchione <[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 2, 2013 10:40 AM
> *Subject:* [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?
>
> Haven't seen much regarding this for a while.  Has it been been abandoned
> or put at such low priority that it is effectively abandoned?
>
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