Hi Michael,

I was really thinking of something deeper than a Delphi-style repository. Often 
I've had to negotiate between two diametrically opposed groups. I do this by 
resorting to what a mentor once taught me as 'mange by fact'. If you strip away 
the emotions, opinions, assumptions, etc. you can often find commonality at a 
basic factual level. Once you've gotten there, you just work your way back up 
to a agreement of some sort. I prefer coding, but it's a useful skill :-)

As it works well to solve sever disagreements, a larger computer enabled fact 
repository might also make the world a happier place. Perhaps.

Paul.

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On 2013-09-08, at 9:32 AM, Michael Turner <[email protected]> 
wrote:

> "To me the path to get there lies within our understanding of data. It
> needs to be better organized, better understood and far more
> accessible. It can't keep getting caught up in silos, and it really
> needs ways to share it appropriately. The world changes dramatically
> when we've developed the ability to fuse all of our digitized
> information into one great structural model that has the capability to
> separate out fact from fiction. It's a long way off, but I've always
> thought it was possible..."
> 
> Not to be crass here, but incentives matter. And "appropriate sharing"
> is very much in the eye of the beholder. This is why prediction
> markets often work better than Delphi-style expert-opinion-gathering.
> Talk is cheap. To "separate out fact from fiction" is expensive. You
> have to make it worth people's time. And you have to make the answers
> matter to those offering them, in a way that future discounting can't
> dent much. In Delphi, you can always shrug and say, "the other experts
> were just as wrong as I was." And your reputation is still secure.
> With prediction markets, there's an automatic withdrawal from your
> bank account, as well as from the accounts of all the other experts
> who were wrong.
> 
> The Engelbart vision (also the Vannevar Bush vision) was incubated
> very much within a government-industry complex, where realistic
> organizational imperatives are limited by the forces that
> bureaucracies can marshal. Beyond a certain scale, that model falls
> prey to inevitable bureaucratic infighting, contention over resources,
> indefeasible claims to having "the better team." If we have less unity
> in the government-industry informatics mission now, it's probably
> because the backdrop is a silly War on Terror, rather than the
> conflict that was contemporary for Engelbart and V. Bush: the somewhat
> more solidly grounded Cold War.
> 
> Truth is not a fortress whose walls you can scale by piling up
> soldiers anyway. Sharper eyes and minds are not for sale, if it's only
> to march in one of Matthew Anold's "ignorant armies that clash by
> night." For some information-aggregation problems, you need the sniper
> you can't see yet, until there's a muzzle flash. At which point, if
> you're the one who's wrong, well, too late for you! C'est la guerre.
> 
> Regards,
> Michael Turner
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> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward
> together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Alan Kay <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi Paul
>> 
>> I'm sure you are aware that yours is a very "Engelbartian" point of view,
>> and I think there is still much value in trying to make things better in
>> this direction.
>> 
>> However, it's also worth noting the studies over the last 40 years (and
>> especially recently) that show how often even scientists go against their
>> training and knowledge in their decisions, and are driven more by desire and
>> environment than they realize. More knowledge is not the answer here -- but
>> it's possible that very different kinds of training could help greatly.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Paul Homer <[email protected]>
>> To: Alan Kay <[email protected]>; Fundamentals of New Computing
>> <[email protected]>; Fundamentals of New Computing <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 12:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> I can't predict what will come, but I definitely have a sense of where I
>> think we should go. Collectively as a species, we know a great deal, but
>> individually people still make important choices based on too little
>> knowledge.
>> 
>> In a very abstract sense 'intelligence' is just a more dynamic offshoot of
>> 'evolution'. A sort of hyper-evolution. It allows a faster route towards
>> reacting to changes in the enviroment, but it is still very limited by
>> individual perspectives of the world. I don't think we need AI in the
>> classic Hollywood sense, but we could enable a sort of hyper-intelligence by
>> giving people easily digestable access to our collective understanding. Not
>> a 'borg' style single intelligence, but rather just the tools that can be
>> used to make descisions that are more "accurate" than an individual would
>> have made normally.
>> 
>> To me the path to get there lies within our understanding of data. It needs
>> to be better organized, better understood and far more accessible. It can't
>> keep getting caught up in silos, and it really needs ways to share it
>> appropriately. The world changes dramatically when we've developed the
>> ability to fuse all of our digitized information into one great structural
>> model that has the capability to separate out fact from fiction. It's a long
>> way off, but I've always thought it was possible...
>> 
>> Paul.
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Alan Kay <[email protected]>
>> To: Fundamentals of New Computing <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 7:48:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?
>> 
>> Hi Jonathan
>> 
>> We are not soliciting proposals, but we like to hear the opinions of others
>> on "burning issues" and "better directions" in computing.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jonathan Edwards <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?
>> 
>> That's great news! We desperately need fresh air. As you know, the way a
>> problem is framed bounds its solutions. Do you already know what problems to
>> work on or are you soliciting proposals?
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> From: Alan Kay <[email protected]>
>> To: Fundamentals of New Computing <[email protected]>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 10:45:50 -0700 (PDT)
>> Subject: Re: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?
>> Hi Dan
>> 
>> It actually got written and given to NSF and approved, etc., a while ago,
>> but needs a little more work before posting on the VPRI site.
>> 
>> Meanwhile we've been consumed by setting up a number of additional, and
>> wider scale, research projects, and this has occupied pretty much all of my
>> time for the last 5-6 months.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Dan Melchione <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 10:40 AM
>> Subject: [fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?
>> 
>> Haven't seen much regarding this for a while.  Has it been been abandoned or
>> put at such low priority that it is effectively abandoned?
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