> -----Original Message-----
> From: Finn Bock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [Andreas L. Delmelle]
> > In this case, however, I think you
> > can't fully 'push' these onto the descendants, as this would
> > lead to absurd storage-reqs for quite average-sized documents.
> > OTOH, the inherited property value (resolved or unresolved)
> > can indeed be supposed as available at parse time, because a parent is
> > per se processed *before* any of its children.
> Absolutely correct, and I'm not at all sure that we should go to an array
> based storage of the properties in PropertyList, as I did in the patch.
> Using arrays has strengths:
> - speed during lookup.
> - possible to pushing inherited props into the children.
> and weaknesses:
> - much, much larger memory consumption.
> I have some ideas regarding releasing the array memory earlier during the
> endElement event that I will try out, but until we have a solution to
> the memory consumption, I think we are better of with the current HashMap
> implementation of property storage and then delay the implementation of
> pushing inherited props into the children.

My understanding of the Property side is still a bit too fragmented, but
I'll try do describe what I think to be 'the best of both worlds' in the
case of inherited props (maybe it is already (partially) done this way, I'm
not sure, but I don't get that impression from the code or the docs... see
the pointer below[1]) AFAICT, the way I describe it would turn the logic
almost inside-out :

One structure for an inherited property (in the form of a subclass? or an
'Inheritable' interface?) that contains a reference to the base FObj and an
array of all FObj's whose property accessors should be routed directly to
return the property (value) of the base FObj. This to avoid unnecessary
calls later on to an FObj's accessor from which you already know at parse
time that it's going to dispatch the call anyway. Take the case of a
property value where the property in question is inherited from some levels
up... The difference would be that, instead of n Property objects, each with
its own FObj, you would end up with one larger Property object --larger,
because it has to store references of all FObj's to which it applies - that
is in some way shared by n FObj's.

I have for the moment, no idea whether such an approach is feasible, but one
thing I do know, is that if it is, it'll save on a number of recursive calls
later on in the process.

When an FObj is interrogated by Layout about an unspecified value for a
property which falls in the inheritable category, the call for the property
value should trigger:

- getting the id for the nearest ancestor on which the property *was*
specified (conveniently stored this info at parse time, so shouldn't be a
- pass this id as a parameter to get({property}), so effectively reducing
the number of calls to 1

I must admit, I do see an increase in storage for :
- FO sources with little or no nesting (? Is this even conceivable? )
- FO sources where the values for inherited properties are specified at
every level (but this IMHO should be considered as 'bad practice')

>  > I just wonder if this has something to do with
>  > Finn's other idea of moving logic to the property side to save on
>  > unnecessary calls to empty methods ?

> [Finn]
> No, it is unrelated, but while I made the patch to remove the generated
> maker classes

As I said, I have a number of things to learn WRT the property side, so
thanks for the enlightenment.

>    http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=25873
> , I've concluded that it would also be good design decision and I plan
> on updating patch 25873 to show that the Property.Maker can become
> simpler and easier to understand as well as faster.

Great! Looking forward to this.



[1] http://xml.apache.org/fop/design/properties.html#property-list-struct
    in the main logic : "If the property is inherited, the process repeats
using the PropertyList of the FO's parent object. (This is easy because ..."
Of course, this would be _easy_, but my question is: Would it also be the
_preferred_ way of dealing with inheritance?

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