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Hi Hale:

Your consideration is well noted and accepted that instead of a
compliance tool, we should rather report problems/issues and have them
fixed via/in the spec.

The reason to have a special tool is to tackle drives/devices which
don't seem to follow the spec correctly. In last couple of years, we
along with our OEM's have worked with 100's of different drives, of all
sizes and brands, and have faced issues with some of them. We have been
working with all drive vendors to bring these issues up and have them
fixed apprpriately on drive F/W side or BIOS/App side. 

In some cases drive firmware simply didn't comply with the spec., in
other cases, it was unclear if the drive behavior was correct or the
application expectation was correct. 

So PARTIES-2 intends to address these questions and clarify known areas
of confusion from existing spec and the tool verifies compliance of the
a drive with the HPA extension (might be a new or an old drive with
issues). 

This would give all concerned parties, drive vendors, OEMs, BIOS,
application providers etc., a common benchmark to follow. If the issues
is with the drive then drive F/W needs fixing else app/BIOS needs
fixing.

Cheers,
Mukesh


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From: Hale Landis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:49 AM
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Subject: RE: [t13] Does volatile SET MAX "eliminate" HPA


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On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:35:13 -0800, Mukesh Kataria wrote:
>This message is from the T13 list server.
>1. I do intend to propose the availability of an HPA complaince tool 
>that can be used by disk drive manufacturers, OEM's etc. to validate 
>the HPA compliance of a disk drive.

Do we have a problem here? If so, lets fix the ATA/ATAPI-x description
of this feature. We don't have industry wide "compliance tests" for ATA
- why do we need one now?

But I have a different list of issues with this HPA thing: I have
received lots of questions from people and companies attempting to use
the HPA to hide software for various legitimate purposes (asset tracking
seems to be a big one). I posted questions here on about how the HPA can
be used by these "third party" software companies (questions like if the
HPA is changed by the addtion of some 
software product, does that void the computer's warrenty?") but I never
received answers to these questions.

I look forward to any new PARTIES document and/or additional comments
from anyone about the use of the HPA.

Hale



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