On 6/9/07, Bipin Gautam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 6/9/07, Prasanna Gautam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The thing is having it connected to internet will kill the spirit of > > freedom toaster.. because anyone who can download wud have already > > downloaded the files.. distros.. > > NO! (arr... i hate to argue....... because when i do sometimes there > are friends the other side. Take this argument just as n intellectual > discussion ;)
Ok... hmm.. i dunno why anyone wud take this as argument.. I thought spirit of "freedom toaster" is OSS made EASILY ACCESSIBLE > and FREE. For people within Nepal (and not necessarily within KTM > only) i may be busy to go visit (say) MPP and do the burning but > instantly download it and use it from my home using high speed > download for local traffic using NPIX. Freedom Toaster should not be a giant bloat of a project... It should have internet connection perhaps for the maintainer to upload files but having a hardware that will do all that at the same time will be a huge problem... talk about having to burn 3 DVDs and upload files over the internet. If you are talking about mirroring the content.. that's ok... but when a simple setup will do, this will add more and more complexity. Freedom Toaster should be for burning CDs for people who cannot get those things otherwise.. i.e, internet to experiment with them. I'm not talking about a server at a protected facility... you just cannot expect a single computer at a public place to do all these things. Period. Ok, talk about FOSS Nepal maintaining a mirrored repository, that can be easy and much less of a PITA... > ----[quote from website]------ > Freedom Toasters are preloaded to dispense free digital products, > including software, photography, music and literature. > > The Freedom Toaster project began as a means of overcoming the > difficulty in obtaining Linux and Open Source software due to the > restrictive telecommunications environment in South Africa, where the > easy downloading of large pieces of software is just not possible for > everyone. > Freedom Toaster has been shortlisted for the following award: > ----[/quote]------ > > mark the word "overcoming the difficulty in obtaining Linux and Open > Source software " SEE THATS THE SPRIT OF FREEDOM TOSTER. NOTHING > MORE! > For many, downloading from the Internet may be difficult, for some > visiting the "freedom toaster" location may be little more difficult > and for some downloading straight from the freedom toaster maybe very > easy. LET THE USERS HAVE THE OPTION. Lets compare the stats. If very > few people from nepal are downloading we could discontinue it. > Please do remember there are villages outside KTM with internet in nepal. a means of overcoming the difficulty in obtaining Linux and Open Source software due to the restrictive telecommunications environment dude u forgot this... [restrictive telecommunications environment],... people have to go to a nearby FT due to the lack of internet... AFAIK.. people just 10 meters from Ring Road don't get cable internet .. which village are you talking about? I'm not against putting it up on the internet... let's not bloat this project... maybe do a periodic mirroring and use a different machine on a much more maintainable environment... >we'll need some support from > > ISPs for sure for sth like that.. > > if we don't put it on the internet.. we'll be saving on some of the > major > > costs.. unless of course we have some good funding.. > > > > your point contradicts with one another. Firstly you say.... we need > support from ISP to get latest builds (and to make the process as easy > as possible) I suppose remote log on, remote upload to freedom > toster...... afterall it would be impossible for the mantainer to > visit the > toster and upload avery new builds in DVD manually. Connecting it to > internet with a webserver means we'll know what the users want. users > can discuss instead of getting only what the MANTAINER wants. yeah... i must've been more clear... i meant to say.. let's close the port 80.. maybe open ssh port for uploading We don't need to have a single computer for this... FT should be as its name says.... Freedom "Toaster".... as a project, all these things are more than feasible... What u say the computer will be doing is : 1. Burn CD/DVDs 2. Let users download large , 500/600 MB + files 3. Run a web server 4. Even run a forum/wiki perhaps Freedom Toaster as a machine should be concerned with just point 1... backend updating and stuff do go with it.. but that should be it... That way we can prolly manage the basic operations from a simple pentium 4 (maybe even 3) driving the costs really low.. we should be aiming at how FTs can be implemented at a reasonable price and be used all over nepal where people don't have access to the communication infrastructures. Lets talk with ISPs... have a mirror from where FTs can mirror.. update... but running some of these things from a publicly placed commodity hardware is plain impossible... IMHO.. secondly you say it will cot you. > > for automation (upload) you need to connect it to some Nepalese ISP at > lest. If its connected to an ISP if nepal its already available to > anyone within nepal whose local bandwidth route through NPIX at zero > EXTRA cost. http://npix.net.np > > > thanks, > -bipin > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ FOSS Nepal mailing list [email protected] http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal Community website: http://www.fossnepal.org/ -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
