i agree with that. This is betraying the soul On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Jwalanta Shrestha <[email protected]>wrote:
> hi all, > > glad to see some discussions on the topic here n in another thread. > > last year too i was on the side of preserving the integrity of the name of > the event (Software Freedom Day) and it came to me as a shock that i had to > have an argument over it this time again. even the 'voice' was being > suggestive on me being retarded [ > http://twitter.com/fossnepal/status/3913252977] and i was almost falling > for it ;) > > now as far as prefixing the name of prime sponsor to the event is > concerned, i'm not arguing on whether anybody read the proposal or > collaborated during the process. the question is, how could we even think of > some third party taking over our dignity? the whole event (like any other > foss event) is organized by *UNPAID* enthusiastic volunteers who believe in > free culture. do u think any sponsor who merely provides financial aid can > buy it? if the event is called 'XYZ SFD' why would anybody even want to > volunteer for it? we volunteer for SFD because free and open source software > is a cause to believe in, not because some XYZ funded it! > > well, this is not to be taken as a hindrance to the SFD organizing process > but as a separate discussion on how our model of working should be. although > i am not being able to directly contribute to organizing SFD like previous > years, i've been collaborating with bibek on showcasing free enterprise-apps > during the event. hope i can be helpful in other ways too.. > > regards, > jwalanta > > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Abhudaya Sagar <[email protected]>wrote: > >> +1 >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Bibek Paudel <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> I consider myself a responsible member/volunteer of the Free Software >>> Community of Nepal (FOSS Nepal). Therefore, I have chosen to express a >>> few of my views regarding Software Freedom Day 2009 being organized on >>> behalf of FOSS Nepal. For any open community, means of communication >>> like this mailing list are the best and preferred ways to air one's >>> opinions and start discussion. I hope this will be taken in that light >>> and that this will be taken totally in a healthy and free spirit. I >>> don't mean any harm to any individual, organization or ideas and noone >>> should take this mail personally. A healthy discussion full of valid >>> arguments and reasons would be highly appreciated. Also, I mean >>> everything written in my signature, especially the 2nd point. >>> >>> Like all of us, I was preparing myself for Software Freedom Day 2009 >>> in Kathmandu. I and my friends were even thinking of doing a session >>> on a few enterprise level free softwares with my friends. Because of >>> personal reasons, I hadn't been able to find enough time to involve >>> myself in the preparation and organization of SFD this year but it was >>> good to see enthusiastic and some new volunteers gearing up for the >>> event, all very well. Yesterday, I received this invitation >>> ( >>> http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal/browse_thread/thread/e21b5416a725bd16 >>> ) >>> for SFD, written in an informal language, where, all of a sudden the >>> name of the event had changed to "D2Hawkeye Services Software Freedom >>> Day 2009." >>> >>> The wiki page of SFD had also moved and the page now reflected the >>> change in the name. A few hours and discussions later, the page moved >>> back to its original location with the original name intact. This >>> surely smelt foul. Is this something official, or done at the whims of >>> some person (or a group or person)? If it is official, why is it >>> changed every now and then and without announcing it first anywhere? >>> If it isn't official, why is this happening, who is allowing this to >>> happen and if this is wrong, what actions will be taken? And where is >>> the integrity of FOSS Nepal as a community (or as an organization >>> too)? Yesterday evening, weird things were seen on twitter too. >>> Anybody can search for @fossnepal 's tweets and witness of the kind of >>> personal messages and verbal abuses broadcast for the whole world to >>> see. Of course, it now seems that the right to feel ashamed of such >>> activities are reserved by only a limited fraction of this community. >>> >>> First of all, the change of name was never announced, let alone >>> discussed in this mailing list. No page related to SFD ever mentioned >>> that. Some guys told that the "Concept Note" had such ideas and it was >>> the fault of those who hadn't read it. But the concept note >>> (http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Concept_Note) doesn't even >>> contain the word "Prime Sponsor." Then someone suggested that the >>> "Generic Proposal" contained the idea. Of course it did, but as it is >>> apparent, the Proposal was meant for Sponsors and anybody who's not a >>> sponsor would hardly download and study it. Even if someone would have >>> wanted, before any discussion was called, the Proposal was already >>> made ready for "download" after being "prepared" >>> ( >>> http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal/browse_thread/thread/3908789b5adac6ab/27b59e8eaafe764a >>> ) >>> . Even in the "Generic Proposal" (whatever the word generic means in >>> this context, I am made to believe that is is a Proposal for SFD 09), >>> it has been mentioned, "Event is named after the sponsor, For example. >>> 'ABC Software Meeting 2009'". I am not sure if it was intentional, but >>> the language sure leaves a lot of room for ambiguity. >>> >>> Coming to the main point, as I remember from last year's SFD >>> celebration, there was a heated discussion in a meeting over naming >>> HLCIT as an "organizer" of SFD. After intense debates, it was decided >>> that it was preferable to organize a small but 'free' SFD rather than >>> letting HLCIT take the credit of organizer of the event in return for >>> sponsorship. This was a very contentious issue and I am sure a similar >>> issue this year deserved some feedback and comments from the members >>> of this community. Letting it go just like that means an attempt to >>> validate it by letting no discussion happen about the issue. This >>> year, a sponsor (albeit it maybe one who's contributed a lot to Free >>> Software in Nepal and blah blah) has been allowed to changed the name >>> of an international event whose sanctity has been proven to be a very >>> sensitive issue (as demonstrated last year) among Nepalese and >>> international FOSS supporters alike. >>> >>> As I've written somewhere else >>> (http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal/msg/f4dd2958885e34e1), if >>> FOSS Nepal isn't some INGO or NGO, we deserve an answer to the >>> questions raised here and I hope that will happen. >>> >>> >>> Thanking you, >>> Bibek Paudel >>> >>> -- >>> Disclaimer: >>> By sending an email to any of my addresses you are agreeing that: >>> 1. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and >>> make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it >>> lends itself to. >>> 2. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. >>> 3. 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