Hello all, I have been reading previous messages. It is good to get such sponsor but about name please we always should be aware about our identity and dignity. I don't think it is good idea to keep sponsor's name in the beginning.
That is my point We are people who have wide thoughts and spirit. regards On 9/12/09, Abhudaya Sagar <[email protected]> wrote: > i agree with that. This is betraying the soul > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Jwalanta Shrestha > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> hi all, >> >> glad to see some discussions on the topic here n in another thread. >> >> last year too i was on the side of preserving the integrity of the name of >> the event (Software Freedom Day) and it came to me as a shock that i had >> to >> have an argument over it this time again. even the 'voice' was being >> suggestive on me being retarded [ >> http://twitter.com/fossnepal/status/3913252977] and i was almost falling >> for it ;) >> >> now as far as prefixing the name of prime sponsor to the event is >> concerned, i'm not arguing on whether anybody read the proposal or >> collaborated during the process. the question is, how could we even think >> of >> some third party taking over our dignity? the whole event (like any other >> foss event) is organized by *UNPAID* enthusiastic volunteers who believe >> in >> free culture. do u think any sponsor who merely provides financial aid can >> buy it? if the event is called 'XYZ SFD' why would anybody even want to >> volunteer for it? we volunteer for SFD because free and open source >> software >> is a cause to believe in, not because some XYZ funded it! >> >> well, this is not to be taken as a hindrance to the SFD organizing process >> but as a separate discussion on how our model of working should be. >> although >> i am not being able to directly contribute to organizing SFD like previous >> years, i've been collaborating with bibek on showcasing free >> enterprise-apps >> during the event. hope i can be helpful in other ways too.. >> >> regards, >> jwalanta >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Abhudaya Sagar >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Bibek Paudel >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> I consider myself a responsible member/volunteer of the Free Software >>>> Community of Nepal (FOSS Nepal). Therefore, I have chosen to express a >>>> few of my views regarding Software Freedom Day 2009 being organized on >>>> behalf of FOSS Nepal. For any open community, means of communication >>>> like this mailing list are the best and preferred ways to air one's >>>> opinions and start discussion. I hope this will be taken in that light >>>> and that this will be taken totally in a healthy and free spirit. I >>>> don't mean any harm to any individual, organization or ideas and noone >>>> should take this mail personally. A healthy discussion full of valid >>>> arguments and reasons would be highly appreciated. Also, I mean >>>> everything written in my signature, especially the 2nd point. >>>> >>>> Like all of us, I was preparing myself for Software Freedom Day 2009 >>>> in Kathmandu. I and my friends were even thinking of doing a session >>>> on a few enterprise level free softwares with my friends. Because of >>>> personal reasons, I hadn't been able to find enough time to involve >>>> myself in the preparation and organization of SFD this year but it was >>>> good to see enthusiastic and some new volunteers gearing up for the >>>> event, all very well. Yesterday, I received this invitation >>>> ( >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal/browse_thread/thread/e21b5416a725bd16 >>>> ) >>>> for SFD, written in an informal language, where, all of a sudden the >>>> name of the event had changed to "D2Hawkeye Services Software Freedom >>>> Day 2009." >>>> >>>> The wiki page of SFD had also moved and the page now reflected the >>>> change in the name. A few hours and discussions later, the page moved >>>> back to its original location with the original name intact. This >>>> surely smelt foul. Is this something official, or done at the whims of >>>> some person (or a group or person)? If it is official, why is it >>>> changed every now and then and without announcing it first anywhere? >>>> If it isn't official, why is this happening, who is allowing this to >>>> happen and if this is wrong, what actions will be taken? And where is >>>> the integrity of FOSS Nepal as a community (or as an organization >>>> too)? Yesterday evening, weird things were seen on twitter too. >>>> Anybody can search for @fossnepal 's tweets and witness of the kind of >>>> personal messages and verbal abuses broadcast for the whole world to >>>> see. Of course, it now seems that the right to feel ashamed of such >>>> activities are reserved by only a limited fraction of this community. >>>> >>>> First of all, the change of name was never announced, let alone >>>> discussed in this mailing list. No page related to SFD ever mentioned >>>> that. Some guys told that the "Concept Note" had such ideas and it was >>>> the fault of those who hadn't read it. But the concept note >>>> (http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=Concept_Note) doesn't even >>>> contain the word "Prime Sponsor." Then someone suggested that the >>>> "Generic Proposal" contained the idea. Of course it did, but as it is >>>> apparent, the Proposal was meant for Sponsors and anybody who's not a >>>> sponsor would hardly download and study it. Even if someone would have >>>> wanted, before any discussion was called, the Proposal was already >>>> made ready for "download" after being "prepared" >>>> ( >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal/browse_thread/thread/3908789b5adac6ab/27b59e8eaafe764a >>>> ) >>>> . Even in the "Generic Proposal" (whatever the word generic means in >>>> this context, I am made to believe that is is a Proposal for SFD 09), >>>> it has been mentioned, "Event is named after the sponsor, For example. >>>> 'ABC Software Meeting 2009'". I am not sure if it was intentional, but >>>> the language sure leaves a lot of room for ambiguity. >>>> >>>> Coming to the main point, as I remember from last year's SFD >>>> celebration, there was a heated discussion in a meeting over naming >>>> HLCIT as an "organizer" of SFD. After intense debates, it was decided >>>> that it was preferable to organize a small but 'free' SFD rather than >>>> letting HLCIT take the credit of organizer of the event in return for >>>> sponsorship. This was a very contentious issue and I am sure a similar >>>> issue this year deserved some feedback and comments from the members >>>> of this community. Letting it go just like that means an attempt to >>>> validate it by letting no discussion happen about the issue. This >>>> year, a sponsor (albeit it maybe one who's contributed a lot to Free >>>> Software in Nepal and blah blah) has been allowed to changed the name >>>> of an international event whose sanctity has been proven to be a very >>>> sensitive issue (as demonstrated last year) among Nepalese and >>>> international FOSS supporters alike. >>>> >>>> As I've written somewhere else >>>> (http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal/msg/f4dd2958885e34e1), if >>>> FOSS Nepal isn't some INGO or NGO, we deserve an answer to the >>>> questions raised here and I hope that will happen. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanking you, >>>> Bibek Paudel >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Disclaimer: >>>> By sending an email to any of my addresses you are agreeing that: >>>> 1. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and >>>> make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it >>>> lends itself to. >>>> 2. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. >>>> 3. 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