Some of the e-mails in this thread today made it sound like it would be an easy thing to just drop one of these formats in; or, at least, so I interpreted them. As someone noted, a little data is a useful thing, so I went and found some.
Understand, I'm not advocating for any result in particular. On the one hand, I wouldn't object to a richer markup language; on the other, I don't really need it; and I don't much care what gets picked. By choice I'd prefer something similar to poortext, the markup used by my Notebook app, but it doesn't have a C implementation either, and nothing but Notebook uses it. Markdown looks fine so far as it goes (which isn't quite far enough); Creole looks weird; Wikipedia's markup is certainly functional, and widely used. Will On Nov 29, 2009, at 6:25 PM, Jeremy Cowgar wrote: > I have not done extensive research either, however, I would say > solve the > first problem first. > > 1. Can we extend the wiki to allow better text formatting? > 2. If so, what format would we want to implement? > 3. Who will do the implementation? > 4. --- Now we can look at libraries --- > 4a. Is there a suitable library? How will it integrate? > 4b. Do we need to develop our own? Can it be done reasonably in small > stages, I.e. bold, italic, typewriter type in one stage. Later lists/ > nested > lists/numbered lists, Later tables, etc... I.e. does it have to be > done all > at once or can we slowly add to it as time permits. > > I think researching a library first is the wrong way to go about it. > It may > be that there is no suitable library, but does that then mean that > the need > doesn't exist? There may be a suitable library but the idea of a > dependency > scares everyone off so maybe we need a C source file that does the > formatting and can be added too slowly, etc... > > Jeremy > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Will Duquette" <w...@wjduquette.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 9:15 PM > To: <fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org> > Subject: Re: [fossil-users] The case for Markdown (yes, I rtfm) > >> Purely out of curiousity, I've glanced at Markdown and Creole, >> neither >> of which I've used. >> >> The problem with Markdown is that the format as defined simply >> isn't a >> Wiki format. It's Wiki-like, but doesn't include the markup for >> links >> to wiki pages. (There's some kind of linking, but it isn't wiki- >> linking.) So if Markdown is used it will be necessary to extend it. >> >> There appear to be three C implementations of Markdown; one, which I >> didn't look at, is only a partial implementation. One, peg-markdown, >> is apparently profligate of memory use, but is intended to be easily >> extensible. Another, discount, has an API that (to my casual view) >> doesn't appear to be tailored for use in a Wiki; changes would be >> required. How easy it would be to extend, I dunno. >> >> Creole, on the other hand, *is* a Wiki syntax, though it's an odd one >> (**bold**? //italics//? where did *those* come from?) (Yes, I know >> that the Creole site has the rationale for everything.) However, the >> list of extant parsers on the Creole web page doesn't include one >> written in C. >> >> At a casual glance, then, neither Markdown nor Creole looks like an >> easy drop-in replacement for what we have now. >> >> (Feel free to prove me wrong; ten minutes of web-browsing doesn't >> make >> me any kind of expert.) >> >> Will >> >> >> On Nov 29, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene wrote: >> >>> Just to be clear here since there has been some distracting >>> arguments made: There is no bikeshedding being done in this thread. >>> As proof of point a clear major majority do not care what color the >>> bikeshed is (AKA, what format to use) according to my poll. >>> >>> I see two (major) sides of this conversation: >>> >>> 1. People who want better formatting, whatever the result. >>> 2. People who are worried that everyone else is worried about the >>> color of the bikeshed. >>> >>> The only minority are those who are happy with HTML. Since any >>> markdown language allows HTML they really don't factor into this >>> topic. >>> >>> tl;dr quit concern trolling >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene >>> <thinkwritem...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>> Q1: 4 YES | 1 APATHETIC | 2 NO >>> Q2: 4 WHATEVER WORKS | 2 HTML | 1 MARKDOWN >>> >>> PS I said this was specifically for my own curiosity, nothing more. >>> Nice try, Zed. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zeds...@zedshaw.com> >>> wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 05:05:52PM -0600, Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Also, Zed challenged me to prove that more people want any kind of >>> (better) >>>> formatting than not: >>>> >>>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDBVZS1CM0M0akFiSlRtUE5CdUdKa2c6MA >>>> >>>> There's the form link. I am in no way in control of this or any >>> part of >>>> Fossil. I simply want to see for personal curiosity. >>> >>> Yay! Evidence! Hooray! Finally, people can now just vote and then >>> when >>> they're done voting you can dive in and implement it! >>> >>> (I voted BTW.) >>> >>> -- >>> Zed A. 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