Ron Aaron wrote:
> If you have ever used svn or git, you will understand just how easy fossil is 
> by comparison.

Thankfully I haven't had to use SVN or Git. Well, I did have to admin 
SVN + Trac for a while and I hated it. But as a developer, my experience 
is mostly from Darcs. I'm also familiar with Mercurial and Bazaar. I've 
had to use CVS before and I would never choose it for a project. The 
thought of using CVS would never cross my mind.


> It is up to you as the "sysadmin" to set things up so they are easy for the 
> less experienced users.  It may be that something like svn is more suited to 
> your users (though as sysadmin, you will not be happy).

One of my goals is to make my life easy :-)  I hate doing sysadmin work. 
I want to make account management easy. Otherwise I'll spend my whole 
time doing sysadmin work instead of developing software which is what 
I'm actually paid to do.


> I am currently evaluating whether migrating my current users (at work) to 
> Fossil is worth the extra time I will have to spend educating them.  
> Certainly from a sysadmin standpoint, Fossil is much better.  If there were 
> an "svn-to-fossil" conversion utility, I would probably go for it right away. 
>  
> I've already switched over for my personal projects.

Thankfully I don't have to worry about migration. This is a "Green 
Field" thing. The problem I have is that we are talking about users who 
are not mainly developers. I have two groups of people: Senior high 
school students who are learning how to program, and some teachers who 
learned how to program. My boss wants to have a place on our website 
where they can upload their work. Currently we just have a CMS (Drupal) 
where people can make accounts and click on "upload file". But we might 
need something better in the long run.

My boss wants to just have a public FTP account where anyone can upload 
stuff. I think that's crazy. Might as well put a sign that says 
"Crackers welcome, please exploit our server". So I'm looking for 
something to help newbie programmers manage software projects without 
creating a lot of admin work for me, and without opening a huge security 
hole for our company.


> No source-control system is easier to use than Fossil, in my experience.  
> Certainly not one which allows for decentralized development.  However, the 
> concepts need to be understood before diving in.  As Michael pointed out, 
> your mileage may vary...

Even if that is the case: That Fossil is easier in the long run but 
requires more initial learning than other SCMs, that would indicate that 
Fossil is not the right choice for me. I want something that new users 
can learn quickly.

In principle I like Darcs, Bazaar and Mercurial, but they don't have the 
wiki or bug tracking that fossil has, and at least some of them would 
require me to give SSH access to the users. So they are completely 
unsuitable for what I need to do.

It might be that there isn't any software at all that does what I want. 
That would be a real shame. Maybe I'm wrong to be looking at SCMs at 
all. Maybe I should be looking at something like Trac... But I've setup 
track before and I *know* I don't want to set it up again.

Daniel.

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