You can make claims about what you yourself wants or believe, but do *not* claim that your personal beliefs reflects legal issues for Foundation. If Foundation needs to make claims about what is and whats not a legal issue, then such claims should be made by Mike.
John Brian skrev: > I also have not seen a clear explanation of what those who would like to > generate statistics using web bugs plan to do with that data. How do they > plan to use the data, and why aren't the plethora of statistics now made > officially available by the WMF not satisfactory? > > You have bypassed the correct procedure. The amount of time that it takes > the WMF to accomplish goals can be frustrating. Getting them to make your > goal their goal can be frustrating. But it all has to start with you > presenting them with a coherent goal that takes all the constraints into > account. Then you need to get WMF approval which often involves getting > community approval. > > Let's be clear that the privacy policy is a legal issue for the WMF. > Volunteer admins cannot take user privacy into their own hands, under their > own interpretation. That's just not how it works! > > > 2009/6/6 Brian <[email protected]> > >> This is another e-mail on this subject that just strikes me as flawed. >> These are not vague privacy fears - they are real privacy fears. I see a >> fundamental failure by those involved in this controversy to understand this >> point. >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Tisza Gergő <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Robert Rohde <raro...@...> writes: >>> >>>> You may not be aware, but the relaying of page view data to third >>>> party analysis platforms has been tried on a number of occasions in >>>> the past and consistently shutdown. (I think this even includes cases >>>> before the Privacy Policy was adopted.) >>>> >>>> However, to my recollection there has never been a case that quite >>>> mirrors yours since we are talking about a privately hosted server >>>> administered by a highly trusted community member. >>> The (WM-DE-owned) toolserver ran a statistics script called WikiCharts for >>> a few >>> years, which worked with data relayed by Common.js from several >>> wikipedias, >>> including de and en. While that is not exactly the same situation (as the >>> WMF >>> has access to the toolserver), I think it proves my point that passing IP >>> data >>> to an (in the strict organizational sense) third-party server does not >>> necessarily violate the privacy policy, neither letter nor spirit, as long >>> as >>> that server remains within the larger WM community. >>> >>> It is important to understand that this is a much more general question >>> than >>> that of web statistics: any third-party service that interacts with the >>> standard >>> wiki user interface receives private data, whether it needs it or not, >>> because >>> the user interface (the HTML page) is "executed" in the user's browser, >>> and the >>> browser has to contact the third-party service, and it cannot hide its IP >>> in >>> that process. For example, we considered setting up some sort of spell >>> checking >>> service for hu.wp. That is something that cannot be done well centrally - >>> there >>> is too much difference between languages. And if you do it with a local >>> server, >>> it has to communicate with the user's browser, and could in theory log >>> requests >>> and correlate them with edits on the wiki, thus it has to conform with the >>> privacy guidelines. It would be a shame if all such uses would be blindly >>> forbidden because of vague privacy fears. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> foundation-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
