I don't see any evidence that "nobody outside the Portuguese community can see a problem" unless one personal opinion should be considered proof.
The statement was not about anybody outside the Portuguese community seeing a problem, but that "the issue keeps popping up". The very fact that is being addressed here corroborates that statement. Examples of previous discussions were also provided spanning a period of five years. No evidence has been produced to the contrary, i.e., that the issue does not keep popping up. If "it all seems to be a lot of fuss about nothing" that might be because appearances can be deceiving and burring your head in the sand or looking the other way will not make any existing problems go away, although everybody is entitled to ignore them. That's a very common attitude when the problems are not at your doorstep, although there's always the danger that they will eventually get there. Again, the very fact that this discussion is taking place here is a symptom that there is a fuss about something. No statements were made concerning the creation or not of a "two-wiki solution". It's nice to know that someone believes that "the wider Wikimedia community will never accept a two-wiki solution". Hopefully not everybody will have such a preconceived idea and keep an open mind about the specific needs of specific projects. Until the problems and needs are properly accessed it is premature to dismiss any alternative solution. Thank you so much for suggesting the "one-wiki solution [...] used by the English Wikipedia, namely: stop complaining and just write encyclopaedia articles." Assuming that you'll follow your own advice, your contributions to a constructive dialog will be sorely missed. Indulgence can be an act of tolerance, a moderate form of respect, which is the basis for non-discrimination. As for childish arguments about nothing, there is something to be said for someone that bothered to address them. It is an example to be followed. If you do not engage youngsters in rational conversation often enough, even if it is about nothing, they might grow up to become rude adults or total morons. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado At 19:50 22-03-2010, you wrote: >On 22 March 2010 19:01, Virgilio A. P. Machado ><[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps the reason the >issue keeps popping up is > that, although it >has been extensively > «discussed», it has not >been properly addressed, much less solved. I >think the reason it has never been addressed is >that nobody outside the Portuguese community can >see a problem. It all seems to be a lot of fuss >about nothing. That means the wider Wikimedia >community will never accept a two-wiki solution >and the most obvious one-wiki solution is the >one used by the English Wikipedia, namely: stop >complaining and just write encyclopaedia >articles. We're not going to indulge a community >engaged in a childish argument about nothing. >_______________________________________________ >foundation-l mailing list >[email protected] Unsubscribe: >https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Prof. Virgilio A. P. Machado [email protected] Engenharia Industrial http://web.archive.org/web/20070824105539/www.ipei.pt/GDEI/ DEMI/FCT/UNL Fax: 351-21-294-8546 or 21-294-8531 Universidade de Portugal or 351-21-295-4461 2829-516 Caparica Tel.: 351-21-294-8542 or 21-294-8567 PORTUGAL or 351-21-294-8300 or 21 294-8500 Ext.112-32 96-577-3726 Faculdade de Ciencias e Tecnologia/UNL (FCT/UNL) (Dr. Machado is Associate Professor of Industrial Engineering at the School of Sciences and Engineering/UNL of the University of Portugal) _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
