On 15 feb. 2012, at 18:54, Béria Lima wrote: > Jan for the million time: Give me the parameters and we can discuss. I will > not put my faith in another > "great-and-solver-of-all-Wikimedians-problems-but-not-yet-funded" Committe.
Ok, in that case, just wait until we have all solved this without you... > > When you have a clear way to choose people for this FDC, a clear way of how > it will going to work and most important: How much real power they will > have we can talk. Ok, it might be too late for you to influence it at that point > > Until there, is just you and me talking about philosophical situations. We > can spend all day here, but isn't going to come to any result until we have > the data. Lets all come up with the best solution, we will refine it over de coming years and send you the data around 2015 :) > > ... And quite frankly I have too much thing to do to engage in any > meaningless talk. > _____ I hate to say this: but you are doing quite well on the meaningless talk... (counting all your contributions to this topic on both internal and foundation). Yes: I am being confrontational (which I almost never am). EIther help think of something that will make this work or stop repeating that it will never work (because I get it, I really heard you the first X times) Jan-Bart > *Béria Lima* > * > Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir > esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* > > > On 15 February 2012 15:34, Jan-bart de Vreede <[email protected]>wrote: > >> this would be called: too much drama >> >> There is no life and death situation for "the chapters here". See my >> earlier mails for ways of getting to a sustainable organization... >> >> Secondly: When faced with a life or death situation, most people try to >> trick death and stay alive.. most don't repeat: "I am going to die" for >> weeks on end. >> >> In short: Come up with conditions that can make this work for you, try to >> think in opportunities rather that not think at all. >> >> Jan-Bart >> >> >> On 15 feb. 2012, at 14:47, Béria Lima wrote: >> >>> Serious that you can't see the good side in ask the chapters, Bishakha? >>> You're after all deciding their lifes or death, can't we at least choose >>> the way we are going to die? >>> _____ >>> *Béria Lima* >>> >>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter >>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a >>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* >>> >>> >>> On 15 February 2012 05:30, Bishakha Datta <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk <[email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede <[email protected]>: >>>>>> It is clear to me that there is a close link between the >>>>> fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of >>>>> "organising" ourselves. I am also convinced that we >>>>> >>>>> Indeed, and it may not be a coincidence that these two letters came >>>>> out more or less at the same time. :-) I find it good that the WMF >>>>> board is taking up these discussions and opens them again. >>>>> >>>>> How about asking the *official* opinion of the chapters, within a >>>>> certain time frame (e.g. 1 or 2 months)? >>>> >>>> >>>> Meaning? I continue to think it would be great if we had a wide range of >>>> opinion on this - both from chapters and from others in the movement. >>>> >>>> Because the MR process has gone on for so long, I'm personally >> sceptical of >>>> extending the deadline. (I'm not convinced we will actually get more >>>> discussion with more time - that has not necessarily been the history >> of MR >>>> since 2010 July, when it began. >>>> >>>> So at this moment, I'm leaning towards a one-month focused period of >>>> discussion. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Bishakha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Then we would have a more >>>>> substantial and reliable feedback, compared to the mails on a >>>>> mailinglist or talk page comments, all done by people as individuals. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> Ziko >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland >>>>> dr. 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