Jan Provide me a link to work and I will gladly tell on wiki how much your idea sucks and how I come up with a better one without dismiss community opinion and being condescending like you.
Here we can't solve anything. _____ *Béria Lima **Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* On 15 February 2012 16:01, Jan-bart de Vreede <[email protected]>wrote: > > On 15 feb. 2012, at 18:54, Béria Lima wrote: > > > Jan for the million time: Give me the parameters and we can discuss. I > will > > not put my faith in another > > "great-and-solver-of-all-Wikimedians-problems-but-not-yet-funded" > Committe. > > Ok, in that case, just wait until we have all solved this without you... > > > > > When you have a clear way to choose people for this FDC, a clear way of > how > > it will going to work and most important: How much real power they will > > have we can talk. > > Ok, it might be too late for you to influence it at that point > > > > > Until there, is just you and me talking about philosophical situations. > We > > can spend all day here, but isn't going to come to any result until we > have > > the data. > > Lets all come up with the best solution, we will refine it over de coming > years and send you the data around 2015 :) > > > > > ... And quite frankly I have too much thing to do to engage in any > > meaningless talk. > > _____ > > I hate to say this: but you are doing quite well on the meaningless > talk... (counting all your contributions to this topic on both internal and > foundation). > > Yes: I am being confrontational (which I almost never am). EIther help > think of something that will make this work or stop repeating that it will > never work (because I get it, I really heard you the first X times) > > Jan-Bart > > > > *Béria Lima* > > * > > Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > livre > > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir > > esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* > > > > > > On 15 February 2012 15:34, Jan-bart de Vreede <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> this would be called: too much drama > >> > >> There is no life and death situation for "the chapters here". See my > >> earlier mails for ways of getting to a sustainable organization... > >> > >> Secondly: When faced with a life or death situation, most people try to > >> trick death and stay alive.. most don't repeat: "I am going to die" for > >> weeks on end. > >> > >> In short: Come up with conditions that can make this work for you, try > to > >> think in opportunities rather that not think at all. > >> > >> Jan-Bart > >> > >> > >> On 15 feb. 2012, at 14:47, Béria Lima wrote: > >> > >>> Serious that you can't see the good side in ask the chapters, Bishakha? > >>> You're after all deciding their lifes or death, can't we at least > choose > >>> the way we are going to die? > >>> _____ > >>> *Béria Lima* > >>> > >>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > >>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a > >>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* > >>> > >>> > >>> On 15 February 2012 05:30, Bishakha Datta <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk < > [email protected] > >>>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> 2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede <[email protected]>: > >>>>>> It is clear to me that there is a close link between the > >>>>> fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of > >>>>> "organising" ourselves. I am also convinced that we > >>>>> > >>>>> Indeed, and it may not be a coincidence that these two letters came > >>>>> out more or less at the same time. :-) I find it good that the WMF > >>>>> board is taking up these discussions and opens them again. > >>>>> > >>>>> How about asking the *official* opinion of the chapters, within a > >>>>> certain time frame (e.g. 1 or 2 months)? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Meaning? I continue to think it would be great if we had a wide range > of > >>>> opinion on this - both from chapters and from others in the movement. > >>>> > >>>> Because the MR process has gone on for so long, I'm personally > >> sceptical of > >>>> extending the deadline. (I'm not convinced we will actually get more > >>>> discussion with more time - that has not necessarily been the history > >> of MR > >>>> since 2010 July, when it began. > >>>> > >>>> So at this moment, I'm leaning towards a one-month focused period of > >>>> discussion. > >>>> > >>>> Best > >>>> Bishakha > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Then we would have a more > >>>>> substantial and reliable feedback, compared to the mails on a > >>>>> mailinglist or talk page comments, all done by people as individuals. > >>>>> > >>>>> Kind regards > >>>>> Ziko > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland > >>>>> dr. 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