There's no reason the plain-text replacement can't add EOPs .. just need
a code to do that. You can do that with a regular search/replace by
searching on "\p" and replacing with "\p\p". The "\n" is a forced return
in the non-regex UI. It should at least do the same .. not an "n".
...scott
On 7/7/14 6:07 PM, Fred Ridder wrote:
But if there is no practical way for a plain text-oriented tool to
insert a *proper* EOP, the only way to make Frame's overall
Find/Replace behavior consistent would be to forbid searching for
EOPs. And that would be a *real* shortcoming IMO. Kind of like
throwing out the baby with the bathwater...
-Fred
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:57:03 -0700
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl)
I dunno. I just don't like the fact that "\n" will match on a line end
(of some type), while it replaces as an "n" .. that's not right.
...scott
On 7/7/14 4:52 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain ([email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>) wrote:
Yeah … I have to admit that I can’t argue with you on this too
much. JBecause, there isn’t a simple “this is the right way” to do
the EOP insertions.
Although … /maybe/ … Word stands a slightly better chance because
of its “Normal” paragraph that /could/ get applied by default. Of
course, as you note, this could cause a mess with documents whose
paragraphs have already been changed to some other paragraph
format, etc.
Z
*From:*Fred Ridder [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Monday, July 07, 2014 10:18 AM
*To:* Syed Zaeem Hosain ([email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>); [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* RE: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl)
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be *useful* to
be able to insert a new EOP. But the reality is that in either
Word or FrameMaker (and I assume in other word processing
applications) it is problematic because EOP is not a simple
character. Regular expressions are designed to work with arbitrary
strings of simple characters. They were never intended to handle
characters that have formatting or page layout properties embedded
in them. If a regular expression *were* able to insert a new EOP,
what formatting should apply to it? Since regular expressions
don't know about formatting, the only practical answer is the
lowest level default formatting. But in any properly designed word
processor document (i.e., one that uses styles) that default is
going to be *wrong* in >99% of cases and require further, manual
attention from the author, which really defeats the benefit of
being able to use a regular expression replacement. A simple text
editor is a completely different situation because there really is
nothing special about an EOP.
I think the real point is that in Klaus' case the analysis of the
task was slightly flawed. To fix his punctuation issue, what he
really wants to do is insert a period (full stop) between the
current unpunctuated text and the existing EOP, which is exactly
what his second regular expression does. There really is no reason
to delete the existing EOP (and all the "magic" embedded in it)
and replace it with a brand-new, untagged EOP that would require
his manual attention to tag and/or format. FrameMaker's behavior
of not allowing this saves the user from having to do a lot of
after-the-fact cleanup.
FrameMaker's regular expressions let you find EOPs without issue,
and lets you reuse them. What they don't let you do is try to
create a new one where there is insufficient information in the
found text string(s) to do that operation without making a mess.
-Fred
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