Well, I'm inching towards understanding what the problem is.

The problem is definitely caused by some sort of sketchy interaction
between frame's structured import and the formats in the template. I
took a completely different unstructured manual with different
paragraph tags, purged it and turned it into a template for my
structured application. Then I set the paragraph tag of my root to a
30 point combined font and imported.

When I did this it worked fine, it didn't put character formats on any
of my mif strings. This let the combined font and the paragraph work
normally.

So the question becomes: What sort of things could my template have in
it that would cause it to insert character formats like that? It's not
the edd,  otherwise my bare template would have had the same problem.

I'm still stumped.

Noah

On 10/17/06, Steve Cavanaugh <scavanaugh at nat-seattle.com> wrote:
> Yes, I'm discovering the same thing here.  Frame seems to want to punish
> us for not having ACM installed...  Frame's idiotic obsession with the
> Times font is beginning to really annoy me.
>
>
> Steve Cavanaugh
> Sr. Technical Writer
> NAT Seattle Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noah Evans [mailto:noah.evans at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 4:44 PM
> To: Steve Cavanaugh
> Cc: Rick Quatro; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: structured import and pgftag fonts
>
> Hey Steve,
>
> I changed the ini file earlier, but the problem seems to be that no
> matter what I do, when I import all of the text fonts are being set by a
> blank character format. So even if I set the data to what I want in the
> paragraph tag, the blank character format that is inserted during import
> overrides it.
>
> What's strange about this is that when I insert the elements directly
> through frame and edit them by hand, frame doesn't insert the character
> format. It seems to be an issue with the import.
>
> One more thing, I just remembered something regarding the ini file.
> Even when I set the default font to Arial, Times New Roman, Tms Rmn in
> maker.ini when I check the strings in the executable in memory next to
> the string "Default Font" the string Times New Roman, Times New Roman,
> Tms Rmn is there instead. Could just be a default defined as a constant,
> but no matter what I do, from purging all definitions of Times from the
> mif or changing maker.ini it just won't go away during import.
>
> Noah
>
> On 10/16/06, Steve Cavanaugh <scavanaugh at nat-seattle.com> wrote:
> > I caught a clue about FrameMaker's font behavior from
> > http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/help/index.html - click on Mass
> > Convert Fonts.  I hadn't realized that FrameMaker uses an .ini file (I
>
> > thought ini files went away a LONG time ago) and that in that .ini
> > file there is a default font definition that was driving me mad here.
>
> > I would convert all fonts to Arial, and upon print, the console would
> > tell me it was making a substitute for "Times" which I had not defined
> for anything.
> > It turns out, that .ini file had a definition of Times for the
> > variable DefaultFamily.
> >
> >
> > Steve Cavanaugh
> > Sr. Technical Writer
> > NAT Seattle Inc.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: framers-bounces+scavanaugh=nat-seattle.com at lists.frameusers.com
> > [mailto:framers-bounces+scavanaugh=nat-seattle.com at lists.frameusers.co
> > m]
> > On Behalf Of Noah Evans
> > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:25 PM
> > To: Rick Quatro
> > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: structured import and pgftag fonts
> >
> >  Hey Rick, framers,
> >
> > Rick, thanks for your tip, however in this case it didn't work. Here's
> > why:
> >
> > After looking through the mif and experimenting with different
> > formatting in the edd, I've found the problem, but I have no idea why
> > it's ending up like this.
> >
> > Frame seems to be inserting font data on the strings themselves
> > --overriding the combined fonts defined by the elements. Does anyone
> > have any idea of how I could stop frame from doing this? I can
> > manually set the font with a text rule, but frame still nests the
> > combined fonts too deeply in the mif, so frame's fonts override them.
> >
> >  I could write an fdk client to eliminate the font information
> > manually, but I'm hoping that someone who knows more than me could
> > offer me some ideas as to what's going on and why frame's putting in
> that font data.
> >
> > Thanks for everybody's help and input,
> >
> > Noah
> >
> >
> >
> >  On 10/12/06, Rick Quatro  <frameexpert at truevine.net> wrote:
> > >   Hi Noah,
> > >
> > > I am not sure what is causing this by try this after you import the
> > XML.
> > >
> > > 1) Choose File > Import > Element Definitions.
> > >
> > > 2) Leave Current selected in the Import from Document popup. Check
> > > the
> >
> > > Format Rule Overrides checkbox and click Import.
> > >
> > > Rick Quatro
> > > Carmen Publishing
> > > 585-659-8267
> > >  www.frameexpert.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey all,
> > > >
> > > > I'm having a very strange problem with my structure application.
> > > > When I import an xml file, none of the fonts follows the paragraph
>
> > > > tags(which are assigned by the edd, they show up just fine in the
> > > > pgftag bar and menu, but the fonts just don't apply for some
> > > > reason). They seem to be inheriting the font information from the
> > > > root element instead.
> > > >
> > > > However if I just insert an element manually the font follows the
> > > > pgftag correctly.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Noah
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