pdfFLY (www.pdf-fly.com) converts any drawing saved as PostScript or PDF file to an editable FrameMaker Interchange Format (MIF). Which is vector based.
Any windows application, including SmartDraw, Visio, could generate a PostScript file of the drawing, using the Print-to-File option. Jan Homan jan at pdf-fly.com -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: framers-bounces+jan=square1.nl at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+jan=square1.nl at lists.frameusers.com]Namens framers-request at lists.frameusers.com Verzonden: vrijdag 15 september 2006 8:01 Aan: framers at lists.frameusers.com Onderwerp: [SPAM] - Framers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 15 - Email found in subject Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers at lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-request at lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-owner at lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Steve Rickaby) 2. good flowchart software to use with Frame (Beth Prince) 3. Re: Document Management System needed for FM (Scott Abel) 4. RE: Question regarding converting documents to Structured FrameMaker (Dave Shevitz) 5. Nasty X-Refs (Whites) 6. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Charles Beck) 7. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Ridder, Fred) 8. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Bill Briggs) 9. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Niels Fan?e) 10. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Steve Rickaby) 11. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Syed Zaeem Hosain) 12. 2 blank pages (Shmuel Wolfson) 13. Re: 2 blank pages (Steve Rickaby) 14. Re: 2 blank pages (John Posada) 15. Re: 2 blank pages (Art Campbell) 16. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (d.mossfritch at comcast.net) 17. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Art Campbell) 18. RE: 2 blank pages (Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)) 19. RE: 2 blank pages (Steve Rickaby) 20. Re: 2 blank pages (Bill Briggs) 21. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Gillian Flato) 22. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Peter Gold) 23. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Peter Gold) 24. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Gillian Flato) 25. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Peter Gold) 26. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Dov Isaacs) 27. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Dov Isaacs) 28. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Bill Briggs) 29. OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Don Laux) 30. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Ridder, Fred) 31. Re: OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Bill Briggs) 32. RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Bureeda Bruner) 33. RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Bill Briggs) 34. RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Jennifer Randel) 35. RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (John Posada) 36. Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Peter Gold) 37. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Dov Isaacs) 38. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Ridder, Fred) 39. Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Peter Gold) 40. FYI: Pubsnet posts (Rick Quatro) 41. Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts (Steve Rickaby) 42. Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts (Peter Gold) 43. Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts (Art Campbell) 44. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Combs, Richard) 45. Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro (Gillian Flato) 46. RE: Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro (John Sgammato) 47. Manual requirement or creation form (Fred Staal) 48. good flowchart software to use with Frame (Fred Staal) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:57:48 +0100 From: Steve Rickaby <[email protected]> Subject: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC To: framers at FrameUsers.com Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <p06020408c12ef2d5960c@[192.168.0.4]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've just had an interesting discussion with Adobe European Support on the issue of cross-grading from FrameMaker on Mac to FrameMaker on PC. It seems to come down to this: . Produce an invoice for the original purchase of FrameMaker (in my case, from Frame Corp in 1991) . Sign a 'letter of destruction' from Adobe vowing that you will never again use FrameMaker on the Mac . Pay the upgrade fee and you then get FrameMaker for PC at the upgrade price. Adobe call this a 'cross-system procedure'. However, I need to be able to retain the use of FrameMaker on Mac, where my installations go back to FrameMaker Version 3, much as an upgrade from, say, Version 6 to Version 7 will allow you to use both versions. I am happy to put up with the network spoiler, as I will never use more than one version or copy of FrameMaker at the same time. If I understand things correctly, the only way I can do this is to buy a new full copy of FrameMaker for PC. Adobe can forget that. Anyone else been through this hoop? Is it different in the States? -- Steve ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:16:03 -0700 From: Beth Prince <[email protected]> Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <45084AE3.1010307 at cfmc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, all, I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? Beth ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:29:28 -0400 From: Scott Abel <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Document Management System needed for FM To: Wayne Brissette <waynefb at earthlink.net> Cc: framemaker-dita at yahoogroups.com, framers at omsys.com, dita-users at yahoogroups.com, framers at frameusers.com, "Loren R. Elks" <lelks at exstream.com> Message-ID: <266c43172ab1e96b5c7f30021df01db0 at netdirect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Wayne: You might try Astoria Software -- www.astoriasoftware.com -- as they also have integration with FrameMaker. While not open source, I have found that they are truly in synch with the needs of the tech pubs community and more responsive than some others. They will be demonstrating their wares at the upcoming Documentation and Training Conference in Boston this October 3-5, 2006. If you'd like to chat with someone at Astoria let me know and I'll give you some info from my contacts list. New Contact Information The Content Wrangler, Inc. Scott Abel, CEO 6178 Crittenden Avenue, Indianapolis, IN 46220 Office: +1 (317) 466.1840 Skype: abelsp abelsp at netdirect.net www.thecontentwrangler.com On Sep 13, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Wayne Brissette wrote: > >> We need a Document Management System that will help us store FM files. >> It would be helpful if the program could also store and catalog the >> graphics files, as well as, text files and MS Word. >> >> Anyone have any ideas???? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:06:17 -0700 From: "Dave Shevitz" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Question regarding converting documents to Structured FrameMaker To: "Lynne A. Price" <lprice at txstruct.com>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <B546C312A37C12438A22154026CDC7E00C2E7AB4 at exchfive.olympus.f5net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lynne, Aha! As it turned out, there was a blank paragraph tag between my Title element and my Itemizedlist element. Once I found that, I modified my conversion table and all was well. Thanks--I don't know if I would've thought of that! Dave Shevitz Sr. Technical Writer | d.shevitz at f5.com | www.f5.com P. 206 272 5555 | F. 206 272 5556 | D. 206 272 6104 F5 Networks | 401 Elliott Avenue West | Seattle, Washington 98119 The World Runs Better with F5 -----Original Message----- From: Lynne A. Price [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:56 AM To: Dave Shevitz; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Question regarding converting documents to Structured FrameMaker At 08:59 AM 9/12/2006, Dave Shevitz wrote: >What I would like is to ensure that the converted document is always >wrapped in a <chapter> tag. Currently, a <chapter> can contain a <title> >element, a single <itemizedlist> element, and one or more <sect1> >elements. I've tried to create my conversion table statement to read: > >title, itemizedlist[ChapterBullet], sect1* > >But the chapter element does not appear. When I try: > >itemizedlist[ChapterBullet], sect1* > >The <chapter> element appears, but obviously the title is outside the >element. It appears, then, that the problem is with the <title> element. >(Oddly enough, I can wrap the <title> element by itself inside a ><chapter> element. The problem only seems to be when I'm combining the ><title> with the <itemizedlist>.) Dave, Are you successful in creating a title element? And is there anything between the title and the itemizedlist? --Lynne Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lprice at txstruct.com http://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:06:11 -0700 From: Whites <[email protected]> Subject: Nasty X-Refs To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <37D50806-8B9B-4356-8007-B5E347243375 at mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I just spend best part of an afternoon searching for a broken X-ref that, IMHO, should never have existed. I'm updating a document that has been through many hands (of various degrees of incompetence). As always when I inherit a doc, I start a new Book file from scratch and add chapters to it bit but bit. This time, however, there existed a statement in the Book file .mif that referenced an earlier incarnation of one of the files, using the old filename (one I had never linked to, etc) and a paragraph tag that I never used (but that the earlier users apparently had). Anyone know of a utility that can diagnosis a Book to see if it contains X-refs to files not in the book and paragraph tags not in any of the files?? Any light shed will be appreciated. will white +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hah! Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry? Do they? - Sideshow Bob +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:11:13 -0400 From: "Charles Beck" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: "Beth Prince" <bprince at cfmc.com>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <6577742F9F71C1498F29D69F24C6DDC602972A4B at us-atl-mx03.infor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Visio? I can't remember, because it's been awhile since I used it, but I seem to remember that it worked very well... -----Original Message----- Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame Hi, all, I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? Beth _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:45:56 -0400 From: "Ridder, Fred" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC To: "Steve Rickaby" <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>, <framers at frameusers.com> Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <FB317E6321E6824BA3826CF0FA2FD5800E9278 at hdsmsx412.amr.corp.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy. If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their products, it only entitles you to keep both versions installed for a transition period (90 days, as I recall). After that period you are supposed to uninstall the old version. For contractors who might need to have multiple versions available to them to work on client projects using the correct tool version, this technically mean s multiple full licenses for each version. Not very user-friendly, but it's the way Adobe has structured their licenses for years. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:58 AM To: framers at FrameUsers.com Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com Subject: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC I've just had an interesting discussion with Adobe European Support on the issue of cross-grading from FrameMaker on Mac to FrameMaker on PC. It seems to come down to this: . Produce an invoice for the original purchase of FrameMaker (in my case, from Frame Corp in 1991) . Sign a 'letter of destruction' from Adobe vowing that you will never again use FrameMaker on the Mac . Pay the upgrade fee and you then get FrameMaker for PC at the upgrade price. Adobe call this a 'cross-system procedure'. However, I need to be able to retain the use of FrameMaker on Mac, where my installations go back to FrameMaker Version 3, much as an upgrade from, say, Version 6 to Version 7 will allow you to use both versions. I am happy to put up with the network spoiler, as I will never use more than one version or copy of FrameMaker at the same time. If I understand things correctly, the only way I can do this is to buy a new full copy of FrameMaker for PC. Adobe can forget that. Anyone else been through this hoop? Is it different in the States? -- Steve _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as fred.ridder at intel.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/fred.ridder%40intel. com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:53:00 -0300 From: Bill Briggs <[email protected]> Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <p06230900c12f00b071bf@[10.0.1.14]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used them in quite some time. - web At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote: >Hi, all, >I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but >when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize >well. Anyone have any suggestions?? >Beth >_______________________________________________ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as web at nbnet.nb.ca. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at >lists.frameusers.com >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:15 +0200 From: Niels Fan?e <[email protected]> Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: "Beth Prince" <bprince at cfmc.com>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <437BD6CADC498842A158A08DD48FAB8F697439 at mx-cph.maconomy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me. -Niels -> -----Original Message----- -> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com -> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com] -> On Behalf Of Beth Prince -> Sent: 13. september 2006 20:16 -> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com -> Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame -> -> Hi, all, -> I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I -> used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's -> not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any -> suggestions?? -> Beth -> _______________________________________________ -> -> -> You are currently subscribed to Framers as NFA at maconomy.dk. -> -> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. -> -> To unsubscribe send a blank email to -> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com -> or visit -> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/nfa%40maconomy.dk -> -> Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit -> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -> ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:02:48 +0100 From: Steve Rickaby <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC To: "Ridder, Fred" <fred.ridder at intel.com> Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com Message-ID: <p0602040dc12f02d75693@[192.168.0.4]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:45 -0400 14/9/06, Ridder, Fred wrote: >It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy. >If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their products, >it only entitles you to keep both versions installed for a transition >period (90 days, as I recall). After that period you are supposed >to uninstall the old version. Hmm. I was unaware of that. It wouldn't matter a jot, of course, for something like Illustrator or InDesign, where there would be no incentive to continue using the old version anyway. However, we still have authors here working in old versions of FrameMaker, and it's a help to be able to keep their source files at the required version. (I know you can MIF backward through versions, but it's a hassle.) >For contractors who might need to have multiple versions available to them to >work on client projects using the correct tool version, this technically mean >s multiple full licenses for each version. Not very user-friendly, but it's >the way Adobe has structured their licenses for years. As you say, not user friendly. -- Steve ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:24:19 -0700 From: Syed Zaeem Hosain <[email protected]> Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: Beth Prince <bprince at cfmc.com> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <45095803.5000207 at aeris.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Beth Prince wrote: > Hi, all, > I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used > SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and > it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? I use Visio for this ... save it in a vector format and it will work well in FrameMaker. Z > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as Syed.Hosain at aeris.net. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:26:19 +0300 From: Shmuel Wolfson <[email protected]> Subject: 2 blank pages To: Framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <4509668B.8010909 at actcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility under Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas? -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:29:01 +0100 From: Steve Rickaby <[email protected]> Subject: Re: 2 blank pages To: Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com> Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com Message-ID: <p06020413c12f17462087@[192.168.0.4]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 17:26 +0300 14/9/06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: >I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility under >Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas? Special -> Delete Pages? Also, are they really blank? Is there actually something there that you aren't currently displaying, such as empty paragraphs or anchored frames. (The latter unlikely in an index, I grant, but not impossible.) -- Steve ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: John Posada <[email protected]> Subject: Re: 2 blank pages To: Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com>, Framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <20060914143053.91850.qmail at web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Have you made sure that they don't have a Custom master page applied to them? Applying a Custom master page tends to override a number of pagination functions. If it is custom, change to Left/Right, then try saving the file again and see if the extra pages go away. --- Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com> wrote: > I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I > tried every possibility under Pagination, Delete > Blank pages, etc. Any ideas? John Posada Senior Technical Writer "I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is." ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:35:23 -0400 From: "Art Campbell" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: 2 blank pages To: "Shmuel Wolfson" <sbw at actcom.com> Cc: Framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <c7d9dd600609140735l15b243ah4390930b4b94900e at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Pagination is probably being controlled by the book file... so you checked the settings for both the Index and the file that follow it? If you're using Delete Pages to remove the two pages, when are they reappearing? When you regenerate the Index, Update the book, or some other time? If you add a new Index to the book and update, does it also have extra pages? Art On 9/14/06, Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com> wrote: > I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility > under Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas? > > -- > Regards, > Shmuel Wolfson -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:50:51 +0000 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: Beth Prince <bprince at cfmc.com> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <091420061450.17149.45096C4B00042075000042FD2206813153080C9B079D009C9C0103D20B at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Good Morning Beth, I too use SmartDraw, particularly for flowcharts that include images. I had a problem with the shartness of images until I tried saving the SmartDraw graphic as a .png file and using that in FrameMaker. The resulting graphic, whether print or Acrobat, is great. Best, Denise Denise L. Moss-Fritch Lead Technical Writer Varian Medical Systems Palo Alto, CA -------------- Original message -------------- > > Beth Prince wrote: > > Hi, all, > > I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used > > SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and > > it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:02:57 -0400 From: "Art Campbell" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: " Niels Fan?e " <NFA at maconomy.dk> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com, Beth Prince <bprince at cfmc.com> Message-ID: <c7d9dd600609140802v76b9dce7me23ee4837098eb18 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Second that. On 9/14/06, Niels Fan?e <NFA at maconomy.dk> wrote: > Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me. > > -Niels -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:18:22 -0400 From: "Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: 2 blank pages To: Framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <CFE17A593D29C848942A3A1C8DBD1B9402EF9217 at bolt_exch5.corp.huskyims.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Another possibility I have encountered is disconnected text flows. The tell tale sing is a lonely "End of flow" marker at the top of the last page (or sometimes the next-to-last page. Regards, Berny Gagn? Lead Technical Writer Husky Injection Molding Systems Bolton, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:35 AM To: Shmuel Wolfson Cc: Framers Subject: Re: 2 blank pages Pagination is probably being controlled by the book file... so you checked the settings for both the Index and the file that follow it? If you're using Delete Pages to remove the two pages, when are they reappearing? When you regenerate the Index, Update the book, or some other time? If you add a new Index to the book and update, does it also have extra pages? Art On 9/14/06, Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com> wrote: > I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every > possibility under Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas? > > -- > Regards, > Shmuel Wolfson -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:43:36 +0100 From: Steve Rickaby <[email protected]> Subject: RE: 2 blank pages To: "Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)" <bgagne at husky.ca> Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com Message-ID: <p06020417c12f287e29e0@[192.168.0.4]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:18 -0400 14/9/06, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) wrote: >The tell tale sing is a lonely "End of flow"... How does that one go, then? ;-) Maybe to the tune of 'O sole mio'? -- Steve ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:45:15 -0300 From: Bill Briggs <[email protected]> Subject: Re: 2 blank pages To: Framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <p0623090bc12f28bad402@[131.202.98.174]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:26 PM +0300 9/14/06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: >I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility under >Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas? One possibility is that upon generation of the book the penultimate index page has a lone trailing empty paragraph on it (the end of flow marker would be visible) and that page makes the page count odd for the file. If your setup is to make page count even for that file, then Frame would add an additional page to the index to satisfy that criterion. But whatever it is, it's definitely fixable. :-) - web ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:00:42 -0700 From: "Gillian Flato" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: "Bill Briggs" <web at nbnet.nb.ca>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <2C1C13BEFF79124985E37DB5591C801A017AF5BD at mil-mail03.nanometrics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money for that. Just something to keep in mind. I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that specific reason. Thank you, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) Nanometrics, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Briggs Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used them in quite some time. - web At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote: >Hi, all, >I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? >Beth >_______________________________________________ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as web at nbnet.nb.ca. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:09:50 -0500 From: Peter Gold <[email protected]> Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: Gillian Flato <gflato at nanometrics.com> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <45097ECE.2020703 at knowhowpro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, Gillian: Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines - to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Gillian Flato wrote: > Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if > your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need > to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow > chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in > Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow > chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money > for that. > > Just something to keep in mind. > > I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that > specific reason. > > ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:10:39 -0500 From: Peter Gold <[email protected]> Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: Gillian Flato <gflato at nanometrics.com> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <45097EFF.70600 at knowhowpro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, Gillian: Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines - to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Gillian Flato wrote: > Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if > your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need > to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow > chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in > Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow > chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money > for that. > > Just something to keep in mind. > > I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that > specific reason. > > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:23:01 -0700 From: "Gillian Flato" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: "Peter Gold" <peter at knowhowpro.com> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <2C1C13BEFF79124985E37DB5591C801A017AF5E3 at mil-mail03.nanometrics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What do you mean by apply callouts? I just type them in and then group them together with the graphic. Gillian Flato -----Original Message----- From: Peter Gold [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:10 AM To: Gillian Flato Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame Hi, Gillian: Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines - to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Gillian Flato wrote: > Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if > your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need > to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow > chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in > Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow > chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money > for that. > > Just something to keep in mind. > > I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that > specific reason. > > This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:01:35 -0500 From: Peter Gold <[email protected]> Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: Gillian Flato <gflato at nanometrics.com> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <45098AEF.7020600 at knowhowpro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, Gillian: Gillian Flato wrote: > What do you mean by apply callouts? I just type them in and then group > them together with the graphic. > > That's what I mean! When you say "type them in" you must be typing into text frames or text lines (the "A" tool) you've created in the drawing you've made in an anchored frame. You do the same thing with an imported graphic in an anchored frame. You can group these text frames or text lines with imported graphics. HTH Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices > Gillian Flato > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Gold [mailto:peter at knowhowpro.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:10 AM > To: Gillian Flato > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame > > Hi, Gillian: > > Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines - > to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing > tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM. > > Regards, > > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices > > Gillian Flato wrote: > >> Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if >> your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will >> > need > >> to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow >> chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in >> Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow >> chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra >> > money > >> for that. >> >> Just something to keep in mind. >> >> I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for >> > that > >> specific reason. >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:07:03 -0700 From: "Dov Isaacs" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC To: "Ridder, Fred" <fred.ridder at intel.com>, "Steve Rickaby" <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>, <framers at frameusers.com> Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <5F4BF9F76511C549A314AC3EDF92EBAB0BF4AD91 at namail1.corp.adobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve & Fred, That 90-day (or whatever) restriction on version-to-version upgrades on the same computer went out a number of years ago. However, when you are dealing with a platform-to-platform "sidegrade," you are dealing with software on distinctly separate computers! The restriction is comparable to that of the version-to-version upgrade not allowing you to install or give away the old version for use on another computer. - Dov > -----Original Message----- > From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Ridder, Fred > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:46 AM > To: Steve Rickaby; framers at frameusers.com > Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC > > It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy. > If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their > products, it only entitles you to keep both versions > installed for a transition period (90 days, as I recall). > After that period you are supposed to uninstall the old > version. For contractors who might need to have multiple > versions available to them to work on client projects using > the correct tool version, this technically mean s multiple > full licenses for each version. Not very user-friendly, but > it's the way Adobe has structured their licenses for years. > > My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. > Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:10:01 -0700 From: "Dov Isaacs" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: Niels Fan?e <NFA at maconomy.dk>, "Beth Prince" <bprince at cfmc.com>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <5F4BF9F76511C549A314AC3EDF92EBAB0BF4AD9A at namail1.corp.adobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" PNG is a raster format that does not scale well. Visio is primarily vector. You want to preserve the content as vector. Best best is to produce PDF from Visio and import either the PDF or EPS (saved from the PDF in Acrobat) into your FrameMaker document. - Dov > -----Original Message----- > From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Niels Fan?e > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:55 AM > To: Beth Prince; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame > > Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me. > > -Niels > ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:34:19 -0300 From: Bill Briggs <[email protected]> Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <p0623090cc12f34d5aa57@[131.202.98.174]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And if they are done in FrameMaker using the primitives I made they get spell checked along with the rest of the document. That's worth something. - web At 9:00 AM -0700 9/14/06, Gillian Flato wrote: >Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if >your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need >to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow >chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in >Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow >chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money >for that. > >Just something to keep in mind. > >I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that >specific reason. > > >Thank you, > >Gillian Flato >Technical Writer (Software) >Nanometrics, Inc. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com >[mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On >Behalf Of Bill Briggs >Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 AM >To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame > >FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly >drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people >on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they >will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used >them in quite some time. > > - web > >At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote: >>Hi, all, >>I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used >SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and >it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? >>Beth >>_______________________________________________ >> >> >>You are currently subscribed to Framers as web at nbnet.nb.ca. >> >>Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >>or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca >> >>Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >>http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >_______________________________________________ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics >.com > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > >This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information >intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended >recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, >disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message >is strictly prohibited. ------------------------------ Message: 29 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:32:21 -0700 From: "Don Laux" <[email protected]> Subject: OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <007101c6d823$bc8beea0$450aa8c0 at Corp.Solimarsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is anyone else receiving a bunch of "out of office reply" and "thanks for your resume" auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter? They are coming from "news-bounces at pubsnet-news.com on behalf of Pubsnet Newsletter [news at pubsnet-news.com]" Seems like their mail server is re-distributing the auto-replies they receive to their mailing list... This has been going on for a few days now, and it is becoming very annoying. I called and left a message, but no humanoid answers their phone, so who knows whether it made a difference. If anyone from Pubsnet receives this, perhaps you can "wrangle" you mail server problems and stop the spamming. This does not promote a very good feeling about the services Pubsnet offers, especially as this problem drags on over several days. ------------------------------ Message: 30 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:34:11 -0400 From: "Ridder, Fred" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC To: "Dov Isaacs" <isaacs at adobe.com>, "Steve Rickaby" <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>, <framers at frameusers.com> Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <FB317E6321E6824BA3826CF0FA2FD5800E9282 at hdsmsx412.amr.corp.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in detail before we break the seal on the software distribution, right?) I was pretty sure the restriction was still in the EULA as of FrameMaker 6.0, but I guess that *was* "a number of years ago" by now. Time sure is fun when you're having files. ;^) My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -----Original Message----- From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:07 PM To: Ridder, Fred; Steve Rickaby; framers at frameusers.com Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC Steve & Fred, That 90-day (or whatever) restriction on version-to-version upgrades on the same computer went out a number of years ago. However, when you are dealing with a platform-to-platform "sidegrade," you are dealing with software on distinctly separate computers! The restriction is comparable to that of the version-to-version upgrade not allowing you to install or give away the old version for use on another computer. - Dov > -----Original Message----- > From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Ridder, Fred > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:46 AM > To: Steve Rickaby; framers at frameusers.com > Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC > > It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy. > If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their > products, it only entitles you to keep both versions > installed for a transition period (90 days, as I recall). > After that period you are supposed to uninstall the old > version. For contractors who might need to have multiple > versions available to them to work on client projects using > the correct tool version, this technically mean s multiple > full licenses for each version. Not very user-friendly, but > it's the way Adobe has structured their licenses for years. > > My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. > Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ ------------------------------ Message: 31 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:39:01 -0300 From: Bill Briggs <[email protected]> Subject: Re: OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <p0623090fc12f440e3bc8@[131.202.98.174]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:32 AM -0700 9/14/06, Don Laux wrote: >Is anyone else receiving a bunch of "out of office reply" and "thanks for >your resume" auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter? Yup. It was a trickle, now it's a stream. I'd like it stopped completely, before it becomes a flood. - web ------------------------------ Message: 32 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:40:12 -0500 From: "Bureeda Bruner" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces To: <Don.Laux at SolimarSystems.com>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <002501c6d824$d5967ef0$501014ac at PII.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am receiving them as well. I assume everyone on their subscriber list is receiving them. Bureeda Bruner Paragon Innovations, Inc. Phone: 972-265-6000 email: bureeda at paragoninnovations.com Website: www.paragoninnovations.com Success Stories: www.paragoninnovations.com/ng/success.shtml Embedded systems design from start to success -----Original Message----- From: framers-bounces+bureeda=paragoninnovations....@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+bureeda=paragoninnovations.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Don Laux Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:32 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces Is anyone else receiving a bunch of "out of office reply" and "thanks for your resume" auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter? They are coming from "news-bounces at pubsnet-news.com on behalf of Pubsnet Newsletter [news at pubsnet-news.com]" Seems like their mail server is re-distributing the auto-replies they receive to their mailing list... This has been going on for a few days now, and it is becoming very annoying. I called and left a message, but no humanoid answers their phone, so who knows whether it made a difference. If anyone from Pubsnet receives this, perhaps you can "wrangle" you mail server problems and stop the spamming. This does not promote a very good feeling about the services Pubsnet offers, especially as this problem drags on over several days. _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as bureeda at paragoninnovations.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bureeda%40paragoninnovat ions.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ------------------------------ Message: 33 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:41:41 -0300 From: Bill Briggs <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <p06230910c12f44a35e9a@[131.202.98.174]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:40 PM -0500 9/14/06, Bureeda Bruner wrote: >I assume everyone on their subscriber list is receiving them. I'm manifestly NOT on their subscriber list and I'm getting them. Me thinks they have harvested names from the framers list. - web ------------------------------ Message: 34 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:43:23 -0700 From: "Jennifer Randel" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <802550B8C492094188BF7119C8F126C80E4841 at khsd-mailtemp.kernhigh.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" web wrote: I'm manifestly NOT on their subscriber list and I'm getting them. Me thinks they have harvested names from the framers list. ______________________________ I have never subscribed to a Pubsnet list either and I'm getting tons of junk from them! ~Jennifer ------------------------------ Message: 35 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:51:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Posada <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <20060914175109.65022.qmail at web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I get no email from or about pubsnet, except now through the FM list. Who's worse. --- Jennifer Randel <jennifer_randel at khsd.k12.ca.us> wrote: > web wrote: > I'm manifestly NOT on their subscriber list and I'm getting them. > Me > thinks they have harvested names from the framers list. > ______________________________ > > I have never subscribed to a Pubsnet list either and I'm getting > tons of junk from them! John Posada Senior Technical Writer "I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is." ------------------------------ Message: 36 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:53:12 -0500 From: Peter Gold <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC To: "Ridder, Fred" <fred.ridder at intel.com> Cc: framers at frameusers.com, fmforosx at yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <45099708.2050907 at knowhowpro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, Fred: Ridder, Fred wrote: > Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more > meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in > detail before we break the seal on the software distribution, > right?) > PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the disk or in the box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!<G> Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ------------------------------ Message: 37 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:02:35 -0700 From: "Dov Isaacs" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC To: "Peter Gold" <peter at knowhowpro.com>, "Ridder, Fred" <fred.ridder at intel.com> Cc: framers at frameusers.com Message-ID: <5F4BF9F76511C549A314AC3EDF92EBAB0BF4ADED at namail1.corp.adobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All Adobe's EULAs are posted for public inspection on its website. See <http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/>. - Dov > -----Original Message----- > From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Peter Gold > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:53 AM > To: Ridder, Fred > Cc: framers at frameusers.com; fmforosx at yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC > > Hi, Fred: > > Ridder, Fred wrote: > > Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more > > meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in > > detail before we break the seal on the software distribution, > > right?) > > > PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the > disk or in the > box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!<G> > > Regards, > > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices ------------------------------ Message: 38 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:17:06 -0400 From: "Ridder, Fred" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC To: "Peter Gold" <peter at knowhowpro.com> Cc: framers at frameusers.com, fmforosx at yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <FB317E6321E6824BA3826CF0FA2FD5800E9284 at hdsmsx412.amr.corp.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LOL, Peter... The EULA is often printed on the outside of a sealed envelope that contains the actual software distribution, and that's the seal that is referred to in the EULA. If there's no sealed envelope, the seal on the jewel case or CD sleeve (the software distribution media) that is the one whose breakage signifies your acceptance of the terms and conditions of a so-called "shrink wrap EULA" rather than the actual shrink-wrap on the outside box. And besides, many software publishers also post their EULAs on their website where people can do due diligence before purchasing. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -----Original Message----- From: Peter Gold [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:53 PM To: Ridder, Fred Cc: framers at frameusers.com; fmforosx at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC Hi, Fred: Ridder, Fred wrote: > Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more > meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in > detail before we break the seal on the software distribution, > right?) > PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the disk or in the box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!<G> Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ------------------------------ Message: 39 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:33:10 -0500 From: Peter Gold <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC To: "Ridder, Fred" <fred.ridder at intel.com> Cc: framers at frameusers.com Message-ID: <4509A066.1090003 at knowhowpro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, Fred: Should I have waited to send this on Friday? Ridder, Fred wrote: > LOL, Peter... > > The EULA is often printed on the outside of a sealed envelope > that contains the actual software distribution, and that's the seal > that is referred to in the EULA. If there's no sealed envelope, the > seal on the jewel case or CD sleeve (the software distribution media) > that is the one whose breakage signifies your acceptance of the > terms and conditions of a so-called "shrink wrap EULA" rather > than the actual shrink-wrap on the outside box. And besides, > many software publishers also post their EULAs on their website > where people can do due diligence before purchasing. > > Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Gold [mailto:peter at knowhowpro.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:53 PM > To: Ridder, Fred > Cc: framers at frameusers.com; fmforosx at yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC > > Hi, Fred: > > Ridder, Fred wrote: > >> Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more >> meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in >> detail before we break the seal on the software distribution, >> right?) >> >> > PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the disk or in the > > box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!<G> > > ------------------------------ Message: 40 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:15:36 -0400 From: "Rick Quatro" <[email protected]> Subject: FYI: Pubsnet posts To: <framers at FrameUsers.com> Message-ID: <00a901c6d832$28d3a040$0201a8c0 at CARMEN> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I just talked to someone at Pubsnet about the rogue posts and they are aware of the problem. Apparently, someone hacked their server and reeked havoc. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ------------------------------ Message: 41 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:29:02 +0100 From: Steve Rickaby <[email protected]> Subject: Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts To: "Rick Quatro" <frameexpert at truevine.net> Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com Message-ID: <p06020423c12f5d81965e@[192.168.0.4]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 15:15 -0400 14/9/06, Rick Quatro wrote: >I just talked to someone at Pubsnet about the rogue posts and they are aware >of the problem. Apparently, someone hacked their server and reeked havoc. Yup, it surely reeks ;-) (I've been getting them too.) -- Steve ------------------------------ Message: 42 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:31:05 -0500 From: Peter Gold <[email protected]> Subject: Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com Message-ID: <4509ADF9.4030404 at knowhowpro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Because there are so many of these notes, I created an email filter to trash them. My settings are: Criteria: * Date: 9/5/2006 and * Sender or From: news-bounces at pubsnet-news.com and * Subject contains: [News Actions: * Mark as Junk * Move to Junk folder HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ------------------------------ Message: 43 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:34:16 -0400 From: "Art Campbell" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts To: "Steve Rickaby" <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk> Cc: framers at frameusers.com Message-ID: <c7d9dd600609141234w50e1027cr37c9057d41c8f634 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Addded them to the spam filter until they get it under control. The woman I've been talking to since it started last week has been saying their IT guys keep telling her the problem's solved. Until we all call. ;- ) Art On 9/14/06, Steve Rickaby <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote: > At 15:15 -0400 14/9/06, Rick Quatro wrote: > > >I just talked to someone at Pubsnet about the rogue posts and they are aware > >of the problem. Apparently, someone hacked their server and reeked havoc. > > Yup, it surely reeks ;-) > > (I've been getting them too.) > > -- > Steve > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ------------------------------ Message: 44 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:21:37 -0600 From: "Combs, Richard" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <AABEB232F95338499DF8F513EE2B2C7802D919 at WSTEXCH00.westminster.polycom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dov Isaacs wrote: > PNG is a raster format that does not scale well. > Visio is primarily vector. You want to preserve the content > as vector. Best best is to produce PDF from Visio and import > either the PDF or EPS (saved from the PDF in Acrobat) into > your FrameMaker document. I'm using Visio Pro 2003 and Acrobat 7, and the Visio --> PDF process works great! There's an advantage to it that most people don't realize: Visio files can contain multiple drawing pages, and Convert to Adobe PDF will create a single multi-page PDF from such a file. In FM, when you import from that PDF, you choose the page. Instead of a dozen separate source files and a dozen separate output files, there's one of each. You can import all the drawings in no time because FM remembers the file name from the previous import, and you just pick a new page. Slick! Helpful hint: In Visio Page Setup, make both the drawing and print page size exactly the final size you want it in FM, so there's no need to scale (which can cause text problems). Richard ------ Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 ------ rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 ------ ------------------------------ Message: 45 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:21:44 -0700 From: "Gillian Flato" <[email protected]> Subject: Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <2C1C13BEFF79124985E37DB5591C801A017AF7C0 at mil-mail03.nanometrics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Guys, I am considering upgrading from WebWorks 7.0 to either WebWorks ePublisher Pro or Robohelp X5. What experiences have you guys had with both - going from Frame 7.0 to these, single-sourcing files, of course? Which do you like better? Does Robohelp have an edge since it's also an Adobe product? What do you recommend? My final output is a .chm file. Thank you, <mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com> Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 (408.435.9600 x 316 7 408.232.5911 * gflato <blocked::mailto:v at nanometrics.com> This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ------------------------------ Message: 46 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:31:08 -0400 From: "John Sgammato" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro To: "Gillian Flato" <gflato at nanometrics.com>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <8E0B2788ADE5A14195D29CF5C43E81A30206EA35 at mamail01.IMPRIVATA.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I went to ePublisher and I am happy with it. I used it for our last release and all the online help (HTML Help) got done on time with no bugs, so I have no complaints. There is a learning curve, and I thought the initial release was not ready for primetime, but the current version seems robust enough. I have not used RoboHelp in years so I can offer no comparisons. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:22 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro Guys, I am considering upgrading from WebWorks 7.0 to either WebWorks ePublisher Pro or Robohelp X5. What experiences have you guys had with both - going from Frame 7.0 to these, single-sourcing files, of course? Which do you like better? Does Robohelp have an edge since it's also an Adobe product? What do you recommend? My final output is a .chm file. Thank you, <mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com> Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 (408.435.9600 x 316 7 408.232.5911 * gflato <blocked::mailto:v at nanometrics.com> This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat a.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ------------------------------ Message: 47 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:55:39 -0700 From: "Fred Staal" <[email protected]> Subject: Manual requirement or creation form To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <825CF3FE62B1D54A8D41BBE45AF941AF01ADE464 at EX20DAV.schilling.loc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rather than reinvent the wheel, I am seeking for samples of forms that would be submitted to a technical publications department requesting the creation of a technical manual; the form would have spaces for information on subject, scope, SME, deadlines, etc. to be filled in by the submitter. If you have a form that you feel has served you well, I'd appreciate a sample copy. Thanks, Fred Fred Staal Supervisor, Technical Publications Schilling Robotics, LLC Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155 Fax: (530) 753-8092 fred.staal at schilling.con ------------------------------ Message: 48 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:01:56 -0700 From: "Fred Staal" <[email protected]> Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <825CF3FE62B1D54A8D41BBE45AF941AF01ADE468 at EX20DAV.schilling.loc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We use Visio and import the charts into FM 6 as a linked objects. The process seems stable, retains vector format, and avoids any conversion issues. Fred Staal Supervisor, Technical Publications Schilling Robotics, LLC Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155 Fax: (530) 753-8092 fred.staal at schilling.con ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers. 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