In general I would agree with you, but... Both I and my company are new to FrameMaker so that means - by definition - there will be teething pains. I've been warned that the learning curve is steep.
Because I am setting up the initial TOC configuration and I have zero plans to change it, it is worth the extra time and effort to get it right in the first place. The products covered by the manuals have existed for some years and the format of the manual is not changing. This means the changeover needs to be seamless as far as our customers are concerned. Additionally, if the manual uses numbered sections with titles (1.1 Audience, 1.2 Manual Conventions, etc), not including this numbering in the TOC means the TOC information is incomplete and will degrade its usefulness. So I will continue for a while longer... Alison -----Original Message----- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:40 PM To: Alison Craig; 'William Abernathy'; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Creating an FM9 Style to Apply Forced Page Breaks In class, and in practice, I preach the "Design to 95% Perfect" rule. If I can't handle any of my numbering, referencing, and pagination at arm's length in my template, then I let it go. In my world, a consistent and predictable 95% perfect beats an inconsistent frustrating 100% perfectly formatted document every time. Of course, I also tell my clients that I can help with everything but the politics...including a supervisor who wants to make Frame (and the authors) jump through hoops all day long for trivial formatting issues. I'd suggest you attach a dollar figure to the time associated with the extra formatting, double-checking required by the formatting, and time associated with discussing the formatting. If management feels that sacraficing that money and productivity is worth the nominal improvement in the documentation, there's not much you can do, short of looking for job postings here... -Matt Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training matt at roundpeg.com www.roundpeg.com Office 714 960-6840 Cell & text 714 585-2335 SMS message 7145852335 at vtext.com skype: mattatroundpeg LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/grafixtraining facebook| plaxo Click to tell me the social media sites you belong to -----Original Message----- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:13 PM To: William Abernathy; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Creating an FM9 Style to Apply Forced Page Breaks I already use this method (for almost any kind of heading) - and I have widow/Orphan control set to a more than just a couple of lines - but it doesn't cover all situations. Thanks, Alison -----Original Message----- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of William Abernathy Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:39 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Creating an FM9 Style to Apply Forced Page Breaks If you need to insert these breaks in running text for aesthetic reasons (i.e., you don't want to have a heading and three lines of body text, followed by a page break), consider using the "Keep With Next Paragraph" exception in the paragraph definition. This is no more effort than inserting a dummy paragraph to force the page break, and has the benefit of lower maintenance -- If the upstream formatting changes, you stand a much better chance of the break falling in a logical/aesthetic fashion than if you force a break (either with a P-tag exception or by inserting a dummy paragraph). Once either paragraph crosses the page boundary, the break is redrawn in a way that looks good. I believe it is also possible to program this behavior into your body text definition's Widow/Orphan Lines control, but I have not investigated this. --William Alison Craig wrote: > Is there a way to create a style that accepts all existing formatting and > simply applies (i.e., forces) a page break? My attempts to create such a > style have failed so far. > > I really don't want to have to create an Override every time I want a page > break based on layout/esthetic reasons. > > Alison _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as alison.craig at ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasoni x.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. 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