Hi Tino...
I'm thinking that the problem with using XSL in the structured app is
that it would continue to add the marks every time the file is opened.
It seems like you'd want to have some logic that could add the marks as
needed, if they don't already exist.
I need to discuss the possible workflow with my client, and see what
would work best. Now that I see how it works, we should be able to work
something out.
Thanks!
...scott
On 9/24/16 3:52 PM, Heiko Haida wrote:
Hi Scott,
I would use an XSL-transformation as part of the structured
application for these elements with "dir"-attribute. This could add
the marks as real characters in the text.
Maybe prefix and suffix are solitary containers in FrameMaker that are
not thought to influence any more portions of the *real* text (only a
guess).
I use an Extend script that sets the markers for a selected text
analogously to Indesign (this makes it a little bit easier for the
layout work in the good old-fashioned way).
...Tino
Scott Prentice:
Thank you Tino!
This does seem to work (mostly)! Yes .. you'd think that the
translator should be doing this, as it would be part of a proper
translation. I'm working with XML markup and I'm thinking that you
might be able to add these "marks" as prefix and suffix rules to
certain elements, controlled by the @dir attribute. If @dir='ltr' set
the prefix to LTR override and the suffix to POP.
... testing ...
Hmm .. bummer. It doesn't seem to work. It looks like the EDD isn't
applying the marks for prefix and suffix. If I manually add the marks
before and after the .. <ph dir='ltr'>Fn + %</ph> .. it works right
(and displays like "Fn + %"). But with the EDD-applied marks, it
stays like this .. "% + Fn". Seems like a FM bug?
I suppose I could create a plugin to add these marks to elements with
the @dir attribute, but then I'd need to be sure to strip them off on
file save, else they'd keep getting added .. hmm.
Anyway .. thanks for your help!
Cheers!
...ttocs
On 9/24/16 5:06 AM, Heiko Haida wrote:
Hi Scott,
when it comes to a mixture of LTR in a RTL context, the software
will also recognize the "natural" direction of every character.
For now, you can only change this in FrameMaker by adding
"bidirectional marks". There a is an extra palette for this.
This is not a character format you could apply to a text range, like
in Indesign. I already suggested a more intuitive solution for this
in FrameMaker (in Indesign ME, it is pretty easy to control).
How do these marks works? --> Well, I am always trying until it
fits: You add a start mark and an end mark, eg. LRO/PDF or LRI/PDI,
or LRO combined with RLO to switch back. Sometimes, the closing mark
is not necessary. Of course, there is an exact definition in Unicode
about how the different marks should work.
In a perfect translation, the translator should already have added
the marks. (Well, this is just a dream... -- never heard of any
translator who would know this).
pls also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-directional_text
Or look it up in the Unicode manuals.
Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin
Scott Prentice:
Hi...
In FM 2015 .. is there a "text range" property to change the
text direction? I'm only seeing this in the paragraph
properties, but not in character properties.
I know that it's supposed to "properly" flip English text, but
it appears that there are cases where this doesn't work quite
right. (I'm no expert on this formatting, so I can't really say
what's "right", but it's apparently not what's wanted.)
For example, if you have an Arabic paragraph formatted as LTR,
and in that paragraph you have some English words that terminate
with a special character of some kind or even an inline image.
In this case, the English words will properly flip to RTL, but
the special character or image (at the end of the English words)
will be on the left of those words, when you want it to be on
the right. Adding more English words (or a character) "after"
the image or special character will make it flip back to the
right of the English words .. but if you want this character or
image to be at the end (on the right) of the English phrase,
you're out of luck it seems.
If there was a text range property that could be applied to the
characters that you always want to be RTL in the middle of an
LTR para, this would work just fine. (I think.)
Anyway .. I don't think that what I'm looking for exists in FM,
but I'm asking on the off chance that it might.
Thanks!
...scott
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